help me understand chromie time....

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having a hard time understanding chromie time, i have a level 70 toon that i am trying to link up with a level 29 in DF and can't for some reason seem to get them to sync correctly.

both are phased and in all seriousness, cant figure out why. The 70 can't use chromie time and i cant figure out what I have to do to get the 29 in the same phase as the 70. I tried taking the 29 to DF timeline, no go. Took them to present timeline, still phased. What gives?

Personally, just make it to where when my character moves to an expansion(timeline) just scale from there.
 
lvl 70s cant use chromie time at all, it a 69 and under feature. You will never get them to snyc into the same chromie time because its impossible. Your lvl 70 if you have the xpax purchased I am pretty sure they would be in tww timeline not df.
 
Neither account has TWW, both are in "present timeline" with DF accounts, but can't sync.
Are both toons no the same server? That or the game is just sending your toons to different layers just to mess with you. Has your higher lvl progressed further into the df storyline maybe? Honestly I am not sure myself.
 
1. On the 29, select Dragonflight Chromie Time.
2. Invite the 70.
3. From the 29, initiate Party Sync from the map/quest log.
4. On the 70, accept it.
You can now adventure together on the Dragon Isles, but you'll need to repeat these steps (except 1) at the beginning of every session.

For the record, a friend recently ran into the issue of leaving Chromie Time at 69 and being unable to re-enter it (Chromie has no dialog options). As a result, they are unable to group with 70+s unless pulled together by a lower level 3rd player, so be mindful of that.
 
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having a hard time understanding chromie time, i have a level 70 toon that i am trying to link up with a level 29 in DF and can't for some reason seem to get them to sync correctly.

both are phased and in all seriousness, cant figure out why. The 70 can't use chromie time and i cant figure out what I have to do to get the 29 in the same phase as the 70. I tried taking the 29 to DF timeline, no go. Took them to present timeline, still phased. What gives?

Personally, just make it to where when my character moves to an expansion(timeline) just scale from there.
I suspect this isn't a Chromie Time ("CT") issue, it's a phasing issue.i

Example: at a certain point you can just go into the BFA portal in SW/Org and you get this like semi-empty capital that doesn't quite work. Why? Because you haven't done the intro. You're technically in a different "phase". So while you're in this phase you won't have access to a bunch of quests and vendors and other stuff.

Phasing issues pop up all over the place. A good example is when trying to do the Mount Hyjal Loremaster, you can't do a certain set of quests if you're on a particular BFA quest line. That quest line puts you in a different phase in Mount Hyjal where the quest giver isn't present.

CT is closer to a "layer" as the term is used in Classic WoW. There are 4 layers for any zone:

1. CT on, Warmode ("WM") off
2. CT on, WM on
3. CT off, WM off
4. CT off, WM on

Whichever one of those you are in you will never see people from one of the other with one exception: party syncing. Party syncing can allow you to join someone who is in CT but it sometimes doesn't work because it doesn't solve phasing issues necessarily.

The other concept to understand is "sharding". This is when you go into Isle of Dorn and you see players from other (unconnected) realms. Blizzard makes zones look busier than they otherwise would appear by forcing you together into a single shard. As of BFA or maybe late Legion (?), RP realms got split from non-RP realms. They never shard together. But typically every RP realm will often shard together.
1. On the 29, select Dragonflight Chromie Time.
There's really no reason to do that. DF is the default levelling experience. Just go in with CT off. It'll simplify your life in grouping with a level 70+ who otherwise will have to party sync with you to get together.

So the phasing issue the OP might be facing is that they have one toon who is in campaign mode and another in adventure mode. If your 29 just went through the Valdrakken portal, just like the BFA example I made above, you haven't really doe the correct intro. For DF yo uhave to do the starting quests in Waking Shores and get to (ideally) adventure mode. This is only available if you've done the DF campaign on a toon on the same battle.net account.
 
There's really no reason to do that. DF is the default levelling experience.
Sorry, I've recently read multiple reports of the contrary (here and elsewhere). While it is possible that they were all really caused by phasing as you describe, the solution with step 1 included seemed to work every time to get the characters together, so forgive me but I'll stick to it until I know better. Thanks for the explanation, though!
 
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Sorry, I've recently read multiple reports of the contrary (here and elsewhere). While it is possible that they were all really caused by phasing as you describe, the solution with step 1 included seemed to work every time to get the characters together, so forgive me but I'll stick to it until I know better. Thanks for the explanation, though!
Those are talking about two different problems from the OP IIRC.

I'll start with the second. I don't know if earlier expansions did this but DF certainly did. In DF, once you hit level 70 you would immediately go to a new "max level" phase. I don't know why Blizzard did this. It's super weird and kinda annoying. It meant, for example, if you were grouped with people doing quests in Azure Span and one of you dinged 70, boom, that person was gone. They can no longer help you finish. Why Blizzard chooses these super-unintuitive designs with absolutely no explanation is beyond me. Like imagine you're a relatively non-technical player and this happens or as a 69 you try and group with a 70 but you can't see them. How do you explain that? How does the player resolve it? But I digress.

By comparison, CT handles this a little smother but it's still kinda janky. Back in SL when max level was 60, as soon as you dinged 50, you'd get a 1 minute timer that you were being ported back to sW/Org. This would permanently take you out of CT but at least you had some idea of what was going on.

One complication was the SL intro quest would be auto added to your quest log (I hate when they do this) at 48+ (IIRC) every time you went to SW/Org and if you had it, you couldn't enter CT at all and it would take you out of CT. This was so much of a problem that there was an addon called "No Chiilling Summons" to repeatedly remove the quest.

Later they added the ability to go into CT at 50. This meant the port to SW/Org didn't happen until 51 but at 50 you got a lot less XP for quests in particular in CT. Weirdly though, the interface was different. You'd talk to Chromie but have to go through diffferent prompts, but only at 50. Like, why?

I don't know how the "max level" DF phase changed in TWW. I imagine they're still there in some form, likely the same.

DF followed this model. CT through the normal interface at 10-59, CT through the weird prompts at 60, teleport out and leaving CT at 61.

Now CT went through more changes in TWW. Originally you could use the same weird SL 50 prompts at 70 in TWW prepatch to go into CT. At first the prompts were there but they didn't work. Then at launch they did work until Blizzard decided this was broken and promptly removed it. 70 scaling was and is still completely busted.

So there might be some weirdness around a 70+ grouping with a 29 in DF due to the max level (which is no longer max level) phasing. But at the same time I've grouped up fine with a low level and a max level in non-CT DF so it's hard to say.

Like anything, if it works for you then sure, go ahead and do it.
 
That's interesting. I stumbled into this problem back in December, during the anniversary event. I had an army of level 60s collecting dust since SL (used to get an 8th guild bank tab), and I wanted to turn them into "budget twinks" that can hold their own and get some source IDs that I felt I didn't have enough 70s to reliably get otherwise, or were being unlucky with (e.g. agi daggers, guns). For most of those 60s, this meant getting at least the 415 weapons off Zal'kir in Thaldraszus.

My partner offered to help, since she got TWW and her own 50+ chars (many originating from that same SL project) were already well on their way to 80 by then. So, we grouped up, and... couldn't get into the same phase in- or outside of Valdrakken, regardless of which characters we tried, who was the leader, and who initiated party sync. Mousing over the phasing icon on the party frames kept telling both of us that the other character is in Timewalking, despite all of the characters being in "present time". On that first day, we actually gave up, and I went digging for solutions.

To elaborate on the circumstances (in case that helps pinpointing the exact problem for future reference), both of our accounts had the DF campaign completed (locking us into "adventure mode"), but none of the characters have done any questing in DF, so no intro for either of us. This should, in theory, exclude all phasing-related issues, and we should have been in the same phase -- and yet, we were not, and the phasing icon on the party frames clearly stated this. I do vaguely recall her trying to get on a DF campaigned char too, but I may be misremembering that. The one she originally tried first was a timerunner that went straight into TWW without ever touching anything DF-related.

I found the Chromie Time solution after some searching on the internet. It did seem far-fetched, that this one thing of having the lowbie in actual DF Chromie Time could fix the problem, since they were, for all intents and purposes, already locked into "DF Chromie Time" for simply being below level 70. I mean, I consider myself a rational person, and coding is one of my primary hobbies. I honestly didn't think this should make any difference whatsoever. Regardless, we tried it the following day (it couldn't hurt, right?), and what do you know: it worked. The party sync immediately pulled the high level char into the leveling phase (and restricted its level).

Since then, we used this method dozens (probably hundreds) of times, and it worked every time. And that's not all. It worked with every combination of no-DF/DF intro/DF-campaigned characters we threw at it. That is to say, with this solution, which "phase" of DF questing the characters are in appears to be 100% irrelevant. I've also helped others doing this, and gave these instructions as the definitive answer to people having problems grouping their lowbies with 70+s in DF. Not one of them came back to tell me "it's not working". And it's all because of that one step you decided to nitpick on.


Now, while I was typing this, my partner went to bed, so I went ahead and tried the following scenarios, right now, right here, to make absolutely sure at least one of us is not talking out of our ass here. Bear in mind that as noted above, both of our accounts have previously had the DF campaign completed, and are locked into "adventure mode" (I don't know of a way to undo this). In all tests, the low level character was in present time.

1. Lvl 40 Rogue, 2/5 DF chapters + Lvl 80 Monk, 3/5 DF chapters:
Didn't work. Who was leader and who initiated party sync didn't matter. The 80 was scaled down, but did not get pulled over to the leveling phase.

2. Lvl 11 Druid, no DF ("Aspectral Invitation" available) + Lvl 80 Monk from above:
Didn't work. Same results.

3. Same as above, Druid now picked up "Aspectral Invitation":
Didn't work.

4. Lvl 40 Rogue, 2/5 DF chapters + Lvl 80 Warlock, 0/5 DF chapters ("The Dragon Isles Await" available):
Didn't work.

5. Lvl 11 Druid, no DF ("Aspectral Invitation" available) + Lvl 80 Warlock from above:
Didn't work.

6. Lvl 11 Druid + Lvl 80 Warlock, now both on quest "To The Dragon Isles":
Didn't work.

Finally, with this last pair, I quested both chars up to the adventure map, picked "Thaldraszus" for both, and turned it in to Alextrasza in Valdrakken. Still no dice. In all of these scenarios, activating DF Chromie Time on the low level characters solves the problem. I'm afraid I won't be creating a starter account to test the scenario where one of the parties is locked into "campaign mode phase", but I would love to see your own up-to-date test results on the subject!

Of course, it is also entirely possible that I missed some minor detail, that there is something else other than DF CT that can make this work, so if something pops into your head right away, please indulge me, and I will try it out when I get a chance. Peace.
 

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