f2p rogue assistance

also i am having trouble with my rotation vs shadowpriest

i use ambush but i get feared and the best players here seem to open with kick so i was wondering how does this work? i need help to use this technique effectively

can i wait for mindblast to open kick and then lock him out of psychic scream?

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Hoggers pants, ellos band, naga gloves, bands of serra kis. human so dual AGM will keep you busy. these are all preference you did a good job by all means and as far as things go you should do quite well in the bracket as you are with such high crit. these items are preference to survivability / hit for the most part and with the coming patch all things hit related are subject to change if i recall. btw my rogue
Sekai @ Stonemaul - Community - World of Warcraft.
Good advice in regards to the SP problem is open up doing your thing, with ambush and be ready to pop that racial. Every man for himself and get back to slicing them shadow priests down!
 
Dual AGM for rogue? And the reason is..?

he's human it's bis.

Also, stacking crit a Sub? The reason is..?

stacking crit is viable at 20 since you're mostly swapping crit for stam, and not ap.

PS: Check my rougue guide if you want to know what you need to improve. Better than making a topic where i see wrong stuff being posted. No offence.

I'm not sure I'd recommend that after reading the advice you've given.
 
Can you counter what im saying with numbers and theory crafting? Or you're just here to say RIGHT when i say LEFT?

Even more, do you even play rogue? Because you seem pretty clueless on the subject. No disrispect.

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take it to PM stop trolling a serious topic.

Have some rispect.
 
I'd tell you to grow up but it seems some years need to pass on you before you actually will (if you're not a lost hope as some youngers these days sadly are).I see no trollng in my posts.PS: i'm still waiting danny glover
Thats great. This isnt on topic, if your not trolling then take it to your thread or PM.
 
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greetings my fellow financially inadequate pals what can i do to improve my f2p rogue's gear?

Rèdrum @ Wildhammer - Community - World of Warcraft

ps no looms or agms i know this already

armor of the fang, scales to 7 stam 11 agil
naga/foremans
fotl
ring of precision (if you cba)

ellos band is an option too

then theres the ap pieces which are negligible tbh, up to you if you want crit/ap

serpents shoulders
glowing lizardscale
bands of serra'kis
 
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First of all, I appreciate the reference. Ill discourse a sec for you die hard Kubrick fans. Check out Room 237, a documentary about how The Shining was Kubrick's admission to having shot the fake Apollo 11 moon landing. Fascinating. Anyhow relevant to your toon, in a way...

On your gearing issue: Achmed brings up some useful points, unfortunately with a condescending tone and no direct answers. Ill clarify, most sub rogues prefer to stack agility as it scales very well with the spec. The attack power substitutes have been mentioned in this thread and are perhaps the best option. That doesn't mean crit cant work as effectively, but in my opinion you should go to one of the two extremes with your build. If your committing to crit stack you still need cobrahns/dpr/stendel. Achmed's point about trinks, im assuming, is that your priority is dps not survival. I agree in this regard, where 2x haste trinks are your other option, as im partial to glass cannon dps.

On your rotation issue: Good on you for getting after them spriest. Kick from stealth is situational, more viable to subter rogues obviously, and more effective v healers. If you kick MB any decent spriest will start healing in your face, in case you don't know your only locking them out of shadow spells. Save your racial for scream save your kick for heals. If they blow both cds in 1v1 you will probably lose, but at least you got them to blow both cds. If roots, swap immediately hoping they sit in crip and dont get too much space/ dont bubble root (holy/shadow usually wont). If fiend, use your judgement, you'll have a short fear but if your not at 100% MB/flay will probably kill you before you get back (im more prone to sit fear indoors v mid where you can get los pathing), kick fiend is the other option, buys you a little more time on target which is useful if your close to kb and especially if you have teammates in range of fear. gl out ther!
 
Most of these explained already mate, that's why i've directed him to the guide. Why should i repeat myself on every new topic?

Also, prove me with numbers please that crit>agi or crit=agi for f2p sub rogue, go on PM, no need to fill this topic tho.

You could of just PM'ed that but hes right about the attitude, take it down a notch or 10.
 
[MENTION=2465]Achmed[/MENTION], stop, just stop.
 
Get:
naga battle gloves
bands of serrakis

Switch spec to Assassination
Switch talent to Shadow Focus
Learn to Ambush, build 5 combo points, kick if needed, and envenom.
 
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I've always found it interesting how under-represented Legionnaire's Band is versus Ring of Precision in recommendations.

The strength grates on people's nerves, but let's do some number crunching.

1. Outside of Battlegrounds - For arenas and World PvP

Legionnaire's Band: 4 strength, 4 agility, 2 stamina = 12 Attack Power (8 from agi, 4 from strength), 4 agility -> crit, 20 health

Ring of Precision: 6 agility, 3 hit rating = 12 Attack Power (12 from Agility), 6 agility -> crit, 1.63% hit chance

Comments: 20 health vs 2 agility -> crit + 1.63% hit chance. If you are hit capped from looms like you should be, the only addition from the Hit Rating is towards white hits. I don't have the ability to crunch those numbers, but it will only be a very marginal increase to overall damage. IMO: Take the health over the minimal damage increase.

2. Inside of Battlegrounds:

Legionnaire's Band: 5 strength, 5 agility, 2 stamina = 15 Attack Power (5 from strength, 10 from agility), 5 agility -> crit, 20 health

Ring of Precision: 7 agility, 3 hit rating = 14 Attack Power (14 from Agility), 7 agility -> crit, <1% hit rating

Comments: Ok, so now the hit rating minimizes to less than 1%, you actually lose attack power from RoP, the 2 agility -> crit is worth a whomping 0.2% critical strike. Assuming you are hit capped from other sources, I see no reason to go RoP over Legionnaire's Band in Battlegrounds.

~ Bop of Mok'Nathal
 
Most of these explained already mate, that's why i've directed him to the guide. Why should i repeat myself on every new topic?

Also, prove me with numbers please that crit>agi or crit=agi for f2p sub rogue, go on PM, no need to fill this topic tho.

it would be great if u didnt take it to PMs, cuz any dicussion on rogue is helpfull and on topic.


if any of this was off topic ppl would have report it and mod would have already posted a post asking to stay on topic.
 
First of all, I appreciate the reference. Ill discourse a sec for you die hard Kubrick fans. Check out Room 237, a documentary about how The Shining was Kubrick's admission to having shot the fake Apollo 11 moon landing. Fascinating. Anyhow relevant to your toon, in a way...

On your gearing issue: Achmed brings up some useful points, unfortunately with a condescending tone and no direct answers. Ill clarify, most sub rogues prefer to stack agility as it scales very well with the spec. The attack power substitutes have been mentioned in this thread and are perhaps the best option. That doesn't mean crit cant work as effectively, but in my opinion you should go to one of the two extremes with your build. If your committing to crit stack you still need cobrahns/dpr/stendel. Achmed's point about trinks, im assuming, is that your priority is dps not survival. I agree in this regard, where 2x haste trinks are your other option, as im partial to glass cannon dps.

On your rotation issue: Good on you for getting after them spriest. Kick from stealth is situational, more viable to subter rogues obviously, and more effective v healers. If you kick MB any decent spriest will start healing in your face, in case you don't know your only locking them out of shadow spells. Save your racial for scream save your kick for heals. If they blow both cds in 1v1 you will probably lose, but at least you got them to blow both cds. If roots, swap immediately hoping they sit in crip and dont get too much space/ dont bubble root (holy/shadow usually wont). If fiend, use your judgement, you'll have a short fear but if your not at 100% MB/flay will probably kill you before you get back (im more prone to sit fear indoors v mid where you can get los pathing), kick fiend is the other option, buys you a little more time on target which is useful if your close to kb and especially if you have teammates in range of fear. gl out ther!

Impressive, how is this only your first post on the forums? You know your stuff and you know how to post good digestible points. Thanks for the contribution and welcome!
 
Legionnaire's Band: 5 strength, 5 agility, 2 stamina = 15 Attack Power (5 from strength, 10 from agility), 5 agility -> crit, 20 health

Ring of Precision: 7 agility, 3 hit rating = 14 Attack Power (14 from Agility), 7 agility -> crit, <1% hit rating

if u play Sub LB giev's 6,5 agi -> LB = 18 AP
RoP 9,1 agi = 18 AP
 
if u play Sub LB giev's 6,5 agi -> LB = 18 AP
RoP 9,1 agi = 18 AP

What?

Strength = 1 AP
Agility = 2 AP

RoP = 6 Agility (7 Agility in BGs) = 12 AP (14 in BGs)
LB = 4 agility, 4 strength (5 agility, 5 strength in BGs) = 12 AP (15 in BGs)
 

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