Duels...
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TwinkorDie
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i voted yes but i really only believe mirror class duels determine skill at level 19, since most classes are missing the tools to deal with most classes.
Naturaltalnt
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While duels can be helpful to test various skills, class match ups, and the such it only shows you how people can preform in a predetermined 1vs1 in a close area.
Many classes strive and flourish in wide open areas, locations full of objects for line of siting, and so forth. Generaly each class generally wants to play to there strenghts, and a dual severaly hinders that.
While it does alot you to see how people preform in predetermined close fixed areas which is a good skill to develop, it IMO isnt a true test of skill.
People can easily change there spec to destory another person spec for that one dual. Battlegrounds on the other hand require you to play your best spec and use the tatical advtanges, on top of this some just arn't ment for dualing in 1vs1 aspects but are ment to thrive in a group enviorment; flag carriers & healers are one example of this, as well as certain classes that pick up talents/skills that assist in defending flags in warsong/arathi, or for the sole purpose of benefiting others in the group so you get your maxium efficantcy.
Many classes strive and flourish in wide open areas, locations full of objects for line of siting, and so forth. Generaly each class generally wants to play to there strenghts, and a dual severaly hinders that.
While it does alot you to see how people preform in predetermined close fixed areas which is a good skill to develop, it IMO isnt a true test of skill.
People can easily change there spec to destory another person spec for that one dual. Battlegrounds on the other hand require you to play your best spec and use the tatical advtanges, on top of this some just arn't ment for dualing in 1vs1 aspects but are ment to thrive in a group enviorment; flag carriers & healers are one example of this, as well as certain classes that pick up talents/skills that assist in defending flags in warsong/arathi, or for the sole purpose of benefiting others in the group so you get your maxium efficantcy.
Evocate
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Duels determine skill in that it shows how well you mastered movement/rotations/skills etc.. It does NOT determine who is better. This is because of something called luck. If you miss that crucial gouge, your fb misses, your am glitches etc.. you got unlucky but that doesnt mean you are worse. Even in mirror's there is too much of an RNG factor. I love arenas but I never understood why people brag about them.
Ymir
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Duels show how good you are at duelling. Raids show how good you are at raiding. Arenas show how good you are at arenas. So on.
From when I very first started playing wow there was a shaman who was undisputedly the best shaman duelist on the server. He taught me tricks that would have taken me months to figure out by myself, although I admit they were mostly little things that we kinda take for granted these days, like the fact that searing totem has so much utility in shaman duels.
However, when BGs released, he folded up and became nearly worthless, good only for camping midfield, and not even good at that since he hadn't yet mastered the concept of 'healing another player'. No situational awareness, no ability to judge whether someone needed to be killed or kept alive in order to achieve the objectives of the BG, just tunnel vision and a hardon for the red name right in front of him.
He was the proverbial moron you could run a circle of with the flag and he would keep beating up the guy he was already on, or the guy who kills the healer you snared off the efc while the efc keeps running up mid, so said healer can respawn next to said fc with full mana.
That kinda taught me not too put too much stock in someones 'expertise' at any one field of the game, but I guess I was lucky to see such an extreme example so early on.
From when I very first started playing wow there was a shaman who was undisputedly the best shaman duelist on the server. He taught me tricks that would have taken me months to figure out by myself, although I admit they were mostly little things that we kinda take for granted these days, like the fact that searing totem has so much utility in shaman duels.
However, when BGs released, he folded up and became nearly worthless, good only for camping midfield, and not even good at that since he hadn't yet mastered the concept of 'healing another player'. No situational awareness, no ability to judge whether someone needed to be killed or kept alive in order to achieve the objectives of the BG, just tunnel vision and a hardon for the red name right in front of him.
He was the proverbial moron you could run a circle of with the flag and he would keep beating up the guy he was already on, or the guy who kills the healer you snared off the efc while the efc keeps running up mid, so said healer can respawn next to said fc with full mana.
That kinda taught me not too put too much stock in someones 'expertise' at any one field of the game, but I guess I was lucky to see such an extreme example so early on.
Naturaltalnt
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Random Number Generator, its what all games are based around.
Example of how I believe it works
Rogue: 20% crit, (hit capped)
Paladin: 5% dodge, 5% miss, 5% parry, 5% block
Rogue attacks Paladin - Rolls number between 1-100.
was it 1-5? Paladin dodged
6-10 misses Paladin
11-15 Paladin Parrys
is the paladin using a shield? no? skips block phase.
16-100 hit.
Was it a hit? Rogue attack table begins.
1-20 Crit
21-100 Hit
Rogues Attack stats benefit.
Attack power - factor in
Talents - factor in
was it a crit? - factor in crit damage increasing abilitys
etc - etc
Paladin defense begins.
Armor - factor in
Resil - factor in
block value - using a shield? no, skip this phase.
etc - etc
Example of how I believe it works
Rogue: 20% crit, (hit capped)
Paladin: 5% dodge, 5% miss, 5% parry, 5% block
Rogue attacks Paladin - Rolls number between 1-100.
was it 1-5? Paladin dodged
6-10 misses Paladin
11-15 Paladin Parrys
is the paladin using a shield? no? skips block phase.
16-100 hit.
Was it a hit? Rogue attack table begins.
1-20 Crit
21-100 Hit
Rogues Attack stats benefit.
Attack power - factor in
Talents - factor in
was it a crit? - factor in crit damage increasing abilitys
etc - etc
Paladin defense begins.
Armor - factor in
Resil - factor in
block value - using a shield? no, skip this phase.
etc - etc
Twinkytoes
OG
Naturaltalnt said:
This is the same thing I was thinking!
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Diiesel
OG
Naturaltalnt said:
I think its somewhat close to this, but yeah, I hate how we cant see the rolls. Thats what I always loved about Neverwinter Nights Pvp. You knew why you got knocked down, disarmed, crit, ect ect. That and the fact you could multiclass. Something I hope blizzard does later. Being able to have a true battlemage would be awesome. 60 Mage, 10 Paladin, 10 Warrior. Would make real "building"
Cirran
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19 Twink duels use to show skill. Back in the glory days of the 19 bracket. Now duels are a complete joke.
Before for a 19 rogue to beat a hunter/mage/shaman it took every tool in the bag. (talking about beating top players of these classes) I could go on about this all day, but I don't think anyone wants to read my wall of text.
Before for a 19 rogue to beat a hunter/mage/shaman it took every tool in the bag. (talking about beating top players of these classes) I could go on about this all day, but I don't think anyone wants to read my wall of text.
Druiddroid
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if you duel in the right place it can show you if a player knows how to use LoS and shows you how good a person is at being able to string abilities together + keybind and all that jazz.