Cataclysm Beta NDA lifted

[pilgrim]

On MMO-Champion and else where, they have reported all the new cataclysm class changes so far. They list both when spells are learned and all the talent tree stuff, so check it out.



What I noticed mostly was how much stuff will be taken away, pretty much every class was nerfed in some way and it seems like the bracket will need to change to stay the way it is.



Heres a list I stole from the WOW forums



pallies lose

JoJ

BoM

HoF

HoP

HoS

bubble

turn evil

conc aura

all resistance auras



pallies gain

*crusader strike

cleanse!!!!

*beacon of light



priests lose

mana burn

holy nova

prayer of healing

abolish disease

fear ward



priests gain

shadow word death

*vampiric touch



mages lose

arcane explosion

mana gems

arcane intel

mana shield

mage armor

flamestrike



mages gain

new spell mage ward

arcane blast

conjure refreshment

ice lance



hunters lose

MS-their MS shot is at lvl 40 now

rapid fire

frost trap



hunters gain

kill command

tranq shot (1 magic dispel no cooldown 35 focus)

kill shot

steady shot

deterrence



druids lose

natures grasp

hibernate

rip

frenzied regen

shred

rake



druids gain

innervate

insect swarm from trainers

skull bash (5-18 yrd range charge+5 second casting interrupt)

ranged silence stun

new damage attack.



rogues lose

rupture

garrote

disarm trap



rogues gain

recuperate (new personal HoT)

ambush with all weapons now



shamans lose

stoneclaw totem

stoneskin totem

water breathing

all resistance totems

tremor totem

mana spring totem



shamans gain

lava burst

primal strike -8 sec cd, weap dmg +10

cleanse spirit (1 curse, no magic)



warlocks lose

curse of elements

firestone

ritual of summoning



warlocks gain

soul harvest

soulburn



warriors lose

retaliation

intercept

slam

berserker rage

challenging shout

execute

intimidating shout

shield wall



warriors gain

25/50% MS chance for fury tree.



I can not see how this does not kill the point of twinking at 39, which is the semi balance and access to most of the fun spells?

 

[Medan]

My thoughts when I read it on MMO was that they haven't added everything yet, only the upgrades, not the basic abilities. Like rogues get garrote at lvl 40 that silence. That is not the same as the current one we have. I could be wrong though. In any case, have as much fun as you can before cata comes



This is also just beta, many things could change. I hope wow isn't turned as casual (casual doesn't really fit it, more like "any 3 year old can faceroll") that you only have a few abilities. WoW needs to be interesting and fun at the lower lvls so people actually have fun playing them while they lvl. Only having a few abilities will make that even more boring and they already said that they wanted to add certain new abilities to make e.g shamans feel more like shamans at lower lvl. If these changes comes, every class will be even more alike.



Why remove something that works

 

[Mortox]

Fuck. Some major changes there. Not all are positive either. Lets see how this pans out then over the fololwing months.

 

[Rezist]

All of these changes are made to make lvling less complicated and faster, with the whole stat revamp part too I see Cata killing twinking entirely

 

[Cøwabungä]

All of these changes are made to make lvling less complicated and faster, with the whole stat revamp part too I see Cata killing twinking entirely

Hey you ! You know I kindly hate you a little but i usually listen to what you say carefully, coz I know most of the time you know what you're saying. But this time, this time I have to disagree with you. Cata will not kill twinking, players will. if they decide not play their twink anymore.

I used to read a lot things like : "3.2 killed the twinks and blabla" and I totally disagree. 3.2 opened lots of doors for twinks , it was made for real twinks who wanted a more balanced pvp, and it allowed levelling players not to get ganked in graveyard in BGs by imba geared players. Us twinks (all of us who really liked twinking for balanced pvp, objective based BGs, arenas) had acces to all dungeons we needed, we had access to BGs, mounts, enchants, professions to 300 (secondary professions to 450), achievements, arenas, and we even had an add-on for "fake-rated" arenas (epeen). Cloning yes, but balancing our chars in order to do whatever we liked in game. We were placed out of the system, but blizzard gave us access to everything we needed. Even though Blizzard was always against twinking, it gave us the possibility to make whatever we wanted without being bothered, and all that for just 10gold ! I couldn't ask for more If twinking is dead today in some brackets like 29, 49 etc it's because of the players, and it will be the same when Cata is released. If you don't want a bracket to die, just do what it takes to do your part in it, play it

 

[Mortox]

Hey you ! You know I kindly hate you a little but i usually listen to what you say carefully, coz I know most of the time you know what you're saying. But this time, this time I have to disagree with you. Cata will not kill twinking, players will. if they decide not play their twink anymore.

I used to read a lot things like : "3.2 killed the twinks and blabla" and I totally disagree. 3.2 opened lots of doors for twinks , it was made for real twinks who wanted a more balanced pvp, and it allowed levelling players not to get ganked in graveyard in BGs by imba geared players. Us twinks (all of us who really liked twinking for balanced pvp, objective based BGs, arenas) had acces to all dungeons we needed, we had access to BGs, mounts, enchants, professions to 300 (secondary professions to 450), achievements, arenas, and we even had an add-on for "fake-rated" arenas (epeen). Cloning yes, but balancing our chars in order to do whatever we liked in game. We were placed out of the system, but blizzard gave us access to everything we needed. Even though Blizzard was always against twinking, it gave us the possibility to make whatever we wanted without being bothered, and all that for just 10gold ! I couldn't ask for more If twinking is dead today in some brackets like 29, 49 etc it's because of the players, and it will be the same when Cata is released. If you don't want a bracket to die, just do what it takes to do your part in it, play it

This is exactly what I was thinking. Give this man a medal ! 19 and 39 will not die. They will most likey go through a slow patch as people lvl their mains for the first month or 2 max, then we will return as usual.



Also, I am going to get 39 rolling now, from monday I will really get things moving now. I promised lots of people that I would help out, and I don't feel like I have done what I set out to accomplish. So, starting monday things will change in 39. Big thanks to Med'an and some of my awesome guildies for helping me see the light. I love 39 and it is where I belong.



Kutty is oficially back ladies and gents.

 

[Cøwabungä]

This is exactly what I was thinking. Give this man a medal ! 19 and 39 will not die. They will most likey go through a slow patch as people lvl their mains for the first month or 2 max, then we will return as usual.



Also, I am going to get 39 rolling now, from monday I will really get things moving now. I promised lots of people that I would help out, and I don't feel like I have done what I set out to accomplish. So, starting monday things will change in 39. Big thanks to Med'an and some of my awesome guildies for helping me see the light. I love 39 and it is where I belong.



Kutty is oficially back ladies and gents.

Yeah ! Then I have to play more (when I come back) coz I was tired of losing when you were in the opposing team (not always ofc but most of the time). I can't wait to see 39s back in game. Yooshi from Rage quit or Die Trying is trying to set up a little tournament for 39s 2's and/or 3's. See if he can be any help for you

 

[Rezist]

Expansions have always shut down twinking for the first few months. The difference between Cata and WoTLK is Cata will be doing things right, not to mention the addition of rated Battlegrounds which look hella fun. I can't see into the future, but looks like Cata will shut twinking down for a while.

Also, I am going to get 39 rolling now, from monday I will really get things moving now. I promised lots of people that I would help out

I'm sure they're all extremely grateful for this man, your abilities to lead, truly are unmatched...

 

[Mortox]

I'm sure they're all extremely grateful for this man, your abilities to lead, truly are unmatched...

As are yours mr forhead Sarcasm aside, I am a somebody at 39. You are a nobody here. Once you stop being jelous of me and what my guild had, people might take you seriously



The only reason it ever got ugly at 39 was because I was stupid enough to get trolled by you and Seffy.

 

[Rezist]

I am a somebody at 39. You are a nobody here. Once you stop being jelous of me and what my guild had, people might take you seriously



The only reason it ever got ugly at 39 was because I was stupid enough to get trolled by you and Seffy

You are a somebody at 39, but for all the wrong reasons - Sunken Temple cleared – Twink PvE drama ensues! | World of Warcraft Twink Info

 

[Mortox]

You are a somebody at 39, but for all the wrong reasons - Sunken Temple cleared – Twink PvE drama ensues! | World of Warcraft Twink Info

You had a corrupt forum moderator put that on, it means nothing But hey ! Did YOU ever make frontpage ?



You must be getting really bad at this if that is all you can sling at me. Try not to be a child resist. I won't humor you with any more replies either



Rather work on your in game skills than your forum skills, this is the best advice I can offer you.

 

[Cøwabungä]

i think the best way to solve skill issues is in game, more than in forums.

Cata will be fun, but if twinks stop playing it'll be because of the players, not because of Cata.

Anyway, new things in game cannot stop you from logging your twink for at least 20-30mins each time you play. tell me if i'm wrong but it seemed to me that's what you were doing these last weeks, Reszst , and if arenas pop you stay on your twink. if not, you just log on another toon i do the same.

 

[comptonpolarbear]

holy shit, kutty and resistd ur both faggets



im the big dog here ya feel

 

[Regulate]

holy shit, kutty and resistd ur both faggets



im the big dog here ya feel

Ur like Westwooooooood

 

[Rivfader]

Warriors really seem to be getting the shaft across all brackets, it remains to be seen if the ne HS and shout mechanics will make up for it. Losing intercept really hurts mobility in 39s and 49s.

 

[Rezist]

holy shit, kutty and resistd ur both faggets



im the big dog here ya feel

I like that I influenced your sig. I dont like that you think you're a G living in Norway :/ Go get Reg and spend a night in manny, can see the real G's man

 

[Cøwabungä]

Warriors really seem to be getting the shaft across all brackets, it remains to be seen if the ne HS and shout mechanics will make up for it. Losing intercept really hurts mobility in 39s and 49s.

what about intimidating shout and berserk rage ??? it's gonna be really tough for warriors if no other change is on the way

 

[Regulate]

I like that I influenced your sig. I dont like that you think you're a G living in Norway :/ Go get Reg and spend a night in manny, can see the real G's man

Dirty little manc scallies, been there seen it.

 

[Falaris]

Cheating to get a PvE achievement is pretty much a fail

 

[Tetrica]

Old

Boring

Not related to topic



I'm liking the Stamina-buffs. We'll have to wait and see how they balance out with the new SP/AP-scaling though.