8-2 The Fall of 19 Premades

KayWhyBruh

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Who else remembers the glory days of the 6-4 or even the 7-3? Premades have turned into nothing more then an organized mid cluster fuck. Not only that, it's bloody boring regardless of wether your on offense or "defense"... Joyous were the days when offense would organize at a given spot in the opposing teams base and coordinate trap drops and gy/ramp cut offs, and having a Defense leader trying to counter all of that with cc tools brought to the table by other d players. But now we just sit in mid; The thing we sit there and call kids noobs for in pugs, we now do In premades... I dont get it! how is it skill to listen to one person call targets and follow? Man we pew pew switch faster then you.. Get our level. Lame.

Bring the skill back to premades. Offense versus defense is the way the game was meant to be played
 
yeah i agree.


i think it would be really interesting if people dident just rofl chop mid all game. would be neat to run a 5/5 or something becasue classes that normally dont get involed in premades alot or at all IE (Warlocks/Shamans) would get their chance to shine. a warlock/shaman could actually be a very good class to run in premades if we went back to offense vs defense.
 
^ lost garbage can tinke!
i like to chop
when i fc i get to sit there tabbed till the fc dies and still look good!

brb sending brown to escort u from ramp
 
Yeah, but nooo, LS is looked down upon as incompetent when we organized a premade with another guild asking for no mid chopping.
 
The point of a 10v10 premade is for two guilds to play each other within the rules of WSG and see who wins. If the best strategy in WSG at 19s is to chop mid than there's no reason to claim it's unskilled, it would be unskilled planning to try to run an inferior setup like a 5/5, 6/4, etc. The way to get premades back to an O-D setup is to run it against a chopping guild and beat them (or at least perform well).

Years back when 10v10s were (almost) always offense vs. defense there were still times where teams would engage mid at the start of the game. Look at GuP vs. WT for example. WT engaged us in mid and for the most part wiped us. Did that lead to an automatic cap? No, we rezzed, regrouped, and still got our defense setup. Something similar happened to WT (as Pizza Hut) years back where they got wiped mid at the start and still went on to win (someone more familiar could fill in the details here if necessary).

Now I will admit I haven't premaded in about a year, but I did premades in Cata that still had traditional setups, so I don't see any absolute reason chopping mid all game has to be the best strategy. I could be wrong and unaware of some reason CC no longer works at 19s, but I don't see it.
 
Ertai said:
1.The point of a 10v10 premade is for two guilds to play each other within the rules of WSG and see who wins. If the best strategy in WSG at 19s is to chop mid than there's no reason to claim it's unskilled, it would be unskilled planning to try to run an inferior setup like a 5/5, 6/4, etc. The way to get premades back to an O-D setup is to run it against a chopping guild and beat them (or at least perform well).

2. Now I will admit I haven't premaded in about a year, but I did premades in Cata that still had traditional setups, so I don't see any absolute reason chopping mid all game has to be the best strategy. I could be wrong and unaware of some reason CC no longer works at 19s, but I don't see it.
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1. We've beat every guild we've played with an 8-2 minus wt cuz they were busy dodging. And I'm not saying choppin mid isn't good I'm saying chopping mid all game is dumb. Kinda like staying as a full 10 in mid like LS...

2. It's only the best strategy if you don't have a competent defense. In my opinion having both parts of your
Team down pat is they key to being solid well rounded guild.. Not just hey let's make our offense unstoppable
 
I pretty frequently remember engaging in mid with the 7-3 just to give our d that much more of a time cushion.
 
You can have O/D in almost any pug you do - mid chop against a competent enemy is always a treat. It has a beautiful flow to it that is absent in the rigidity of O/D games.
 
Dorigon said:
You can have O/D in almost any pug you do - mid chop against a competent enemy is always a treat. It has a beautiful flow to it that is absent in the rigidity of O/D games.
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I'm not saying mid chopping is wrong by any means, but that's all the game has become. Ohh we wiped you in mid... That's a cap. I dont see the fun in that
 
Guilds should work with what they have, similar to what others have been saying. If you're guild has the coordinated players to run an old fashioned D (frost mage cc/slows/priest screams/etc) then that is what you should run. Strategy shouldn't be based on the game fully, it should be based on the players. Guild should be encouraged to build their own identity in WSG and run what they deem fits them. If that involves some seemingly farfetched classes or strategies or routes or whatever then so be it. Let your strategy reflect your guild. Don't be afraid to try something new. Use wargames to test O vs. D scenarios before you try them in real premades. Rather than just saying people shouldn't mid chop try out your own strategies, if mid chopping is what works best with your guild talent, then that's that.
 
KayWhyBruh said:
1. We've beat every guild we've played with an 8-2 minus wt cuz they were busy dodging. And I'm not saying choppin mid isn't good I'm saying chopping mid all game is dumb. Kinda like staying as a full 10 in mid like LS...

2. It's only the best strategy if you don't have a competent defense. In my opinion having both parts of your
Team down pat is they key to being solid well rounded guild.. Not just hey let's make our offense unstoppable
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You can try and bash my guild as much as you want. If anyone remember's i had the strongest D there has been since cata started. i have video's showing how strong it was. but ya know what happens w/ a strong d? the opposite team just farms gy/ chops mid with their 8-9 man so we have no O. unless we run 3-4 stealther's as an offense there is no breaking off O and D anymore. We used to run O and D games vs LSFTW but they started chopping my team and farming them @ gy instead of going w/ the strat. This thread is stupid and obsolite. I do not agree w/ the current premade strategy's but until mop it is what it is do what you have to do to win. Hate on my guild more- Brown.
 
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