29 Rogue Cataclysm changes

Ruantwink

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I transferred my 29 rogue over to the test realm and have noted a few things:



Pluses:

+ Health is back up to pre-enchant-nerf levels.

+ Attack Power is insane, I have over 700 in what I considered my general use gear.

+ Buffs to the base damage of Ambush and Backstab make them very appealing moves now.

+ All three specs are different and viable.

+ We got Recouperate, but I don't have anyone to test with so I don't know if it's worthwhile to use over an Eviscerate.

+ Supposedly Shadow Step, Mutilate or Blade Flurry should be included with the spec choice at level 10 (appears bugged).



Minuses:

- Expose Armor moved up to level 36, but it was nerfed down to 12% anyway.

- Rupture moved up to level 46 and Garrote moved up to level 40, so we now have no bleed or DoT of any sort.

- Dismantle moved up to level 38, now we have no disarm option either. WTB old Riposte back.



I'm really disappointed with the removal of so many tools which will really make gameplay in PvP very one dimensional. Rogues will do a lot of damage but will struggle with kiting and highly armored targets.
 
which beta server did you copy to? i copied my 29 rogue and 29 druid onto the US PvE server. with the new client changes yesterday though, i will have to redownload/reinstall the beta tonight so wont be able to test anything until at least tomorrow
 
I copied to the PvP server of course.



I've been questing in Northern Stranglethorn and hoping to run into someone.
 
ahhh, unfortunatly won't be able to help you then. due to blizz's "# of copies remaining" not updating, i had copied 5 toons over without getting any on the pvp server
 
All items from RFK now require level 30.



Goodbye Vendetta, Mantle of Thieves and most likely Ferine Leggings.
 
;_____;



dammit, now I guess Crescent will be the BiS oh? Do you have any Cross Daggers to check by any chance?
 
Ruantwink said:
All items from RFK now require level 30.



Goodbye Vendetta, Mantle of Thieves and most likely Ferine Leggings.
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any website showing this?



also if those items are getting nerfed to 30+ items from SM library like dog training gloves, and Gnomer items like toxic revenger, and thermaplug axe (near same as corpse maker from RFK) would get nerfed too
 
if.........dismantle is gone when cata rolls? i will be really disappointed, one of the limited ways i dealt with hunters prior to them disengaging.



with cross battlegroups being merged, was hoping 29 xp-off twinking would be back. but starting to look like my 29 rogue will join my two 19 twink rogues in the graveyard. just crippling poison won't cut it against hunters who get DE, and scatter shot along with 2 ice/frost traps and like 19 bracket have pet slows, nets, stuns, etc that weren't in 29 bracket before wotlk



but then again it was hunters in 29 that were killing off the bracket right before blizz did xp on-off and wiped xp off 29 bracket, so dismantle gone or not......probably test the water and more than likely park my 29 rogue
 
recuperate, not really impressed with having to waste combo points. ruantwink maybe go to a instance and test it there against elites?



49 bracket+ feral druids got the dealio on heals while in bear or cat.



never really noticed it because my 39 druid can't 2 point "improved leader of the pack", maybe in cata? but 49's+ can.



anyway, on a BT run today a 80 druid with 65000+ hp, most everytime he critted he got a auto 4% HoT (can't occur less than every 6 sec), i put a clock on him, he got 8 Hot's in one minute which were 2400+ each time. i talked to him, and found out that talent is getting buffed to from 2/4% to 4/6%. if that druid had the cata change that would have been around 8 X 3900 HoTs for 31200hp in one minute. he would heal near half his HP thru a PASSIVE talent, almost no healer needed.



they got feral druids cat or bear, pretty well along the lines of DKs running blood aura
 
shanker said:
any website showing this?



also if those items are getting nerfed to 30+ items from SM library like dog training gloves, and Gnomer items like toxic revenger, and thermaplug axe (near same as corpse maker from RFK) would get nerfed too
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None of the sites appear to have updated these items. I do however have a Vendetta and Mantle of Thieves in my bags which now require level 30.



I also have Dog Training Gloves and Deadman's Hand which appear unchanged.
 
So Vendetta is changed to something suitable for a mainhand?



If I have it equipped now, will I still be able to use it come cataclysm?
 
Obe said:
So Vendetta is changed to something suitable for a mainhand?



If I have it equipped now, will I still be able to use it come cataclysm?
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It requires level 30, so you cant use it period. If you have it equipped when Cata hits you will still have it equipped, and it will show up on your characters belt, but when youre attacking it will look like you just have MH equipped (I believe, not 100% sure about how it looks). Either way, you wont do any OH swings



*edit* you also dont get any stats from it obviously
 
shanker said:
if.........dismantle is gone when cata rolls? i will be really disappointed, one of the limited ways i dealt with hunters prior to them disengaging.



with cross battlegroups being merged, was hoping 29 xp-off twinking would be back. but starting to look like my 29 rogue will join my two 19 twink rogues in the graveyard. just crippling poison won't cut it against hunters who get DE, and scatter shot along with 2 ice/frost traps and like 19 bracket have pet slows, nets, stuns, etc that weren't in 29 bracket before wotlk



but then again it was hunters in 29 that were killing off the bracket right before blizz did xp on-off and wiped xp off 29 bracket, so dismantle gone or not......probably test the water and more than likely park my 29 rogue
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Hunters won't have disengage and/or frost trap at 29.
 
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