19 Warrior - Crusader Vs. Lifestealing?

[Acombs101]

I haven't played a 19 warrior in quite some time, and was wondering which would be the best to put on a 1h weapon w/ shield as of now.



Does it just depend on playstyle? Any opinions are welcome



Thanks!



Edit: I had lifestealing on my old 19 before I deleted him, but haven't ever tried crusader w/ proc times and everything.

 

[reessagny]

well with 1h i would go lifestealing because it hits more would proc more. But if you wanted to you could put crusader but its better on a 2h because you can get higher crits with it or just hit higher.

 

[Zoxx]

15str on 1h iz gud

 

[reessagny]

dont think you can get 15 str on a 1h at level 19 but if you can that would be awesome.

 

[Twinkytoes]

Go Lifestealing for a 1h and Crusader for 2h.

 

[Zoxx]

you can get 15str on 1h fyi.

 

[Diiesel]

Protip:



Crusader on 1H for a Warrior @ 19, +25 Agility on 2H.



Reason:



It's simple, if your doing your job as a warrior with keeping your hamstrings up, when it procs they wont be able to get away from the huge hits you will be dealing when you switch to the +25 Agility weapon. Not to mention when you switch you will have gained +100 Strength and +25 Agility giving you a ton of AP and Crit.

 

[Rayu]

Protip:



Crusader on 1H for a Warrior @ 19, +25 Agility on 2H.



Reason:



It's simple, if your doing your job as a warrior with keeping your hamstrings up, when it procs they wont be able to get away from the huge hits you will be dealing when you switch to the +25 Agility weapon. Not to mention when you switch you will have gained +100 Strength and +25 Agility giving you a ton of AP and Crit.

Good tip. =O

Since there's a 15 strength enchant for 1H though, isn't there a 25 strength for 2H? I've never seen it but it would be logical.

 

[Theme]

Protip:



Crusader on 1H for a Warrior @ 19, +25 Agility on 2H.



Reason:



It's simple, if your doing your job as a warrior with keeping your hamstrings up, when it procs they wont be able to get away from the huge hits you will be dealing when you switch to the +25 Agility weapon. Not to mention when you switch you will have gained +100 Strength and +25 Agility giving you a ton of AP and Crit.

I dislike that tip alot. I could not play without crusader on my 2h its that simple, I need the burst when I am using 2h and I cannot afford the swings/gcds lost swapping weapons. All that weapon swapping loses you huge amount of dmg, your crusader procs alot less than if you had it on 2h. If your using sword'n'board your in most cases taking dmg, that means lifestealing is the enchant.

 

[Agilitize]

Lifestealing is the only way to go imo

 

[ArthurianKnight]

funny how you guys do not answer his question the right way...



it all depends on what you want.

since you are going with a one hander i suppose you are flag carrying or just plain trying to be unkillable, if thats the case the only way to be unkillable is to go with lifestealing as it will generate higher amount of life and will proc more often then crusader.



so here you go... if you want survival go for lifestealing.

if you want DPs, you get crusader or 15 strenght !



to answer you're other question...

no there is no 25 strenght to 2handers.

+15 strenght can be found only if you can find someone with +22 intellect as both enchant are rep bought by the dark iron dwarves of blackrock mountain ! and its very very very rare to see someone farm that rep even though its quite easy... it does need a full run of molten core which cannot be soloed by a 80 even by todays standard.



so it really depends on what you want to do...

DPS or SURVIVAL (Flag Carrier perhaps)

 

[Nzxer]

Lifestealing.

 

[Cliche]

funny how you guys do not answer his question the right way...



it all depends on what you want.

since you are going with a one hander i suppose you are flag carrying or just plain trying to be unkillable, if thats the case the only way to be unkillable is to go with lifestealing as it will generate higher amount of life and will proc more often then crusader.



so here you go... if you want survival go for lifestealing.

if you want DPs, you get crusader or 15 strenght !



to answer you're other question...

no there is no 25 strenght to 2handers.

+15 strenght can be found only if you can find someone with +22 intellect as both enchant are rep bought by the dark iron dwarves of blackrock mountain ! and its very very very rare to see someone farm that rep even though its quite easy... it does need a full run of molten core which cannot be soloed by a 80 even by todays standard.



so it really depends on what you want to do...

DPS or SURVIVAL (Flag Carrier perhaps)

No the answer is lifestealing. It'll do more damage than sader and +15 str is a joke. Sader for 2hs.

 

[Underseer]

No the answer is lifestealing. It'll do more damage than sader and +15 str is a joke. Sader for 2hs.

I disagree.



lifestealing is 6ppm -> 180 damage per minute

lifestealing is also 180 healing per minute



crusader is 1ppm -> 100 strength for 15 seconds per minute, over time it's the same as 25 strength = 50 AP = 3,6 dps = 214 damage per minute (in reality slightly more because it can crit whereas lifestealing cant)

crusader is also 75 healing per minute



Conclusion: crusader does more sustained damage, lifestealing does loads more sustained healing.

Crusader is also more bursty.

 

[Theme]

I disagree.



lifestealing is 6ppm -> 180 damage per minute

lifestealing is also 180 healing per minute



crusader is 1ppm -> 100 strength for 15 seconds per minute, over time it's the same as 25 strength = 50 AP = 3,6 dps = 214 damage per minute (in reality slightly more because it can crit whereas lifestealing cant)

crusader is also 75 healing per minute



Conclusion: crusader does more sustained damage, lifestealing does loads more sustained healing.

Crusader is also more bursty.

If you dont have a slightest idea how ppm system works could you plz shut up? Ppm means procs per minute with only white attacks. It basicly gives you attacks a % chance to proc based on weapon speed. For example, 1ppm and lets say sf with 2.7s speed: 60sec/2.7sec=22.22 attacks, one of those procs the enchant so the prosentual chance is 1/22.22=0.045 so 4.5%, so for lifestealing it would be 6/22.22=0.27 which means 27%. That chance applies to all your attacks, including hamstrings/overpowers/rends so in reality it procs alot more than the said ppm.



Also, crusader is affected with armor, dodge, parry and block. Also you need to be at melee range for the whole duration to get the benefit.

 

[Grunge]

my arguement:



Sader is best for a warr because of the way it utilizes all mechanics of a warrior playstyle.



For one, hamstring is going to be applied to your opponent so when sader goes off it's uptime is maximized because the enemy will not be getting away from you.



The str bonus of crusader also boosts your block by alot, so that means less damage from hunters and rogues.



The only bad thing about sader is its low proc. LS goes off alot more but i think that sader works more in your favor despite lifesteals more consistent numbers.

 

[Theme]

Sader is best for a warr because of the way it utilizes all mechanics of a warrior playstyle.



For one, hamstring is going to be applied to your opponent so when sader goes off it's uptime is maximized because the enemy will not be getting away from you.



The str bonus of crusader also boosts your block by alot, so that means less damage from hunters and rogues.



The only bad thing about sader is its low proc. LS goes off alot more but i think that sader works more in your favor despite lifesteals more consistent numbers.

There is various ways for smart enemies to avoid your crusader. Trinkets, nets, roots, disarms, sheeps, fears and plenty of others. Yes it boosts block, but how many attacks do you block during that 15secs withs 5% block chance? The best arguments for crusader I can figure out are the fact it is more bursty and slightly higher dps than ls and that it affects tc/rend while ls doesnt.

 

[Grunge]

There is various ways for smart enemies to avoid your crusader. Trinkets, nets, roots, disarms, sheeps, fears and plenty of others. Yes it boosts block, but how many attacks do you block during that 15secs withs 5% block chance? The best arguments for crusader I can figure out are the fact it is more bursty and slightly higher dps than ls and that it affects tc/rend while ls doesnt.

If your cc'd, your proc isnt going to be going off no matter what chant you're using, so thats kind of a non-argument.



Also, 15 seconds is an eternity in melee combat, and since warriors are all about burst damage, id say frontload that damage. But thats just how i play, i like to make the kill with big numbers.

 

[Theme]

If your cc'd, your proc isnt going to be going off no matter what chant you're using, so thats kind of a non-argument.

Wrong, I am talking a case your ccd after the proc rendering crusader useless unlike lifestealing.

Also, 15 seconds is an eternity in melee combat, and since warriors are all about burst damage, id say frontload that damage. But thats just how i play, i like to make the kill with big numbers.

Yes thats why you should have crusader on your 2hander.

 

[Underseer]

If you dont have a slightest idea how ppm system works could you plz shut up? Ppm means procs per minute with only white attacks. It basicly gives you attacks a % chance to proc based on weapon speed. For example, 1ppm and lets say sf with 2.7s speed: 60sec/2.7sec=22.22 attacks, one of those procs the enchant so the prosentual chance is 1/22.22=0.045 so 4.5%, so for lifestealing it would be 6/22.22=0.27 which means 27%. That chance applies to all your attacks, including hamstrings/overpowers/rends so in reality it procs alot more than the said ppm.



Also, crusader is affected with armor, dodge, parry and block. Also you need to be at melee range for the whole duration to get the benefit.

What are you talking about? You can do the maths per swing if you like, but you'll end up using 10 times more paper on it, and end up getting the same result. I just simplified it.

Crusader will proc the same amount per minute no matter how speedy weapons you are wielding (on average, not counting overpowers).



Also, I thought rends and hamstrings don't proc crusader/LS?





But yes, you are correct about armor negating crusader damage compared to lifesteal.

However, parry and dodge negate both crusader and LS damage, ie they can be neglected. Blocks also block the same damage from both attacks so can be neglected.