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so what's generally considered the new ruleset anyways? I realize not everyone plays by the same rules but I've been out of the loop since like p2/3 vanilla classic

I mean yeah? As a part of old Havoc we beat you guys all the times in premades to the point your guildies would come into our disc saying the n word over and over trying to get our streamers banned. Laughed out? I quit the game in classic when covid changed things for everyone and when I came...

thats what it was, NHF. Hard to remember all the acronyms! I think we had the most trouble with your team back then.

good to hear! you were the star FC of BTNE, yeah? your team still rollin?

That's fair. I came into this with no expectations, didn't expect to even twink again at first then a shadowfang dropped for me. I'm just doing what I find fun, without any predetermined goals in the game, until I dont find it fun anymore.

so like, while I agree, not a huge fan of long queues during primetime and the complete lack of existing games other times.

I used to be part of Havoc before COVID, quit the game for a while and Spacebar had happened by the time I'd come back, but even then there will still plenty of teams. Now its like, a bunch of ronin twinks out there and seemingly no organization like there used to be. Are there specific hot days...

Welcome back! You did much better than I expected you to going off the old days.

Herod has HAVOC, N W A, Lumber Co Cartel, some pirate guild, Convergence, a few twink guilds on horde. A few on alliance too.

yeah its cool classic is based on a patch before 2010

I want to see everyone with no shirt on as their profile picture, actually. So your post is a lie.

For some gnome jumps, zerker hut and elixir of giant's growth do indeed change your hitbox for jumps, namely west horde fence.

Having gotten 2 AGMS now on 2 seperate gnomes, you can indeed fit completely inside of the chest and the only thing visible to those around you will be your nameplate and the chest opening aura. you can still be tab targeted and meleed, or AoE'd, but I have definitely ninja'd a few during fights...

if you are horde and want to go offense, be a female undead or orc. theyre the only ones that can jump thru the ally fence, rather than having to take multiple jumps over it.

typically an offense is the only part of a team that needs to worry about race/gender specific jumps. you want your horde O to be ud or orc female and you want your alli o to be male or gnome. All alli classes can easily accomplish playing by these restrictions and horde has female orc and...

I am still in disagreement with this. the most humane thing to do as a twink is to end the game as quick as possible vs levelers via any means necessary, so as to not put them in graveyard hell

if you are unwilling to come off the opinion that this 'ruins' premades, then it will ruin it for you. In my premade, we suck it up and make characters that fit the meta. Our warrior Walle was a tauren, then he remade himself fem undead cuz he wants to be the best.

we are talking twinks vs levelers? oh boy lol most people dont know how to kick a 50yd field goal either but people in the NFL don't gimp themselves because of that. there are 19 tournaments coming up. if you dont have the time or patience to learn what it takes to be the best then you will...

I'd like to see that be the case

sheep is arcane, but resist all includes that