Why try hard?

Not trying to start a flame war, just curious. If you have baseless negative nonsense to say take it else where unless you want to take turns not caring with me.

I see a lot of 24's playing at 200% effort and I'm just honestly curious as to what the logic is behind it when 60% of the bracket is at a clear and sometimes severe disadvantage.

So;

What encourages you to do your best?
Do you feel like you're contributing to the bracket?
Is there anything you wish you did better?

Again, not trying to start anything. Just an interest of mine. We're stuck playing together so we might as well know what makes each other tick. To make it easier, I'll go first.

I enjoy playing as a F2P because I like the self sufficiency involved. "Pure" F2P's have to be creative when pitted against the world (of Warcraft) all on their own. When it's augmenting gear through professions instead of auction houses, or farming chests for some of the best items available at our level, it all feels that much rewarding. The fact that it's free is just icing on the cake. I actually enjoy having 24's around because once you're BIS and reach your skill roof on your preferred class it's like having a mini-boss in a battleground.

What encourages you to do your best?

I like to win.

Do you feel like you're contributing to the bracket?

Yes, we're building a community here at Ravencrest, teaching people not to gy farm and stuff like that.

Is there anything you wish you did better?

Well i wish i played better, but theres not really a real incentive for me to try harder to become a better player. Currently im just playing for shits and giggles, helping lesser skilled players become better.

I'm genuinely curious... are you implying that 24s (or anyone really) should not work hard because they play with some people who play at a disadvantage?

Self discipline isn't wrong. Nor is trying hard (In any facet of life)...

“I'm a greater believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it” ― Thomas Jefferson


Explain yo.

I see a lot of 24's playing at 200% effort and I'm just honestly curious as to what the logic is behind it when 60% of the bracket is at a clear and sometimes severe disadvantage.
Don't fool yourself. A good team of 20s with a nice smattering of FOTM classes can beat a team with 4-5 24s, even if the 24s are going 200%. Many people underestimate the gear and level scaling. The only disadvantage I see that F2P 20s have are in the enchants. You can't blow the F2Ps up when you are chain HoJ'd for 20 seconds.

The biggest disadvantage I see for the F2P community is the 20s that come into the WSG with no enchants and shitty gear. Saw a rogue in one last night that had a level 13-14 robe on... That spirit is gonna help! He had a decent sword, but his off hand was a white weapon from questing. He ran around stealthed all game and ended up with like 1200 damage and 15 deaths.

What encourages you to do your best?


I try to do the best in everything I do in life. If my best isn't enough, oh well.


Do you feel like you're contributing to the bracket?


In the guild that I am in, all 24s, we don't condone gy camping and in games where it's completely faceroll, we cap fast. Am I contributing? Yes. If you consider helping my side win games contributing to the bracket. Of course, I am fairly sure I am hurting the F2P community with my faceroll classes, which include a BiS Warlock and Priest and near perfect Boomkin and Hunter. I also have a pally, but I don't play him much at all.


Is there anything you wish you did better?


Not really. Other than being rusty from 6-7 months away from Wow, I feel doing my best is good enough.

Why play 24s at all?

My reason is simple. Faceroll. J/K -- super fast pops. That's my favorite part. I don't have time to jump around Stormwind or Org or sit outside of the gates and duel all evening. I want to get into a gulch and get it done asap. That's why I loved the 70 bracket a couple years ago, back when <Hero> was around.

Most of the players I queue with would rather queue into a good solid team with a similar comp than a 7-10 minute 3-0 game. The biggest problem with that is when we get that game, it seems that the opposite faction has 1-2 that AFK as soon as they get capped on.

Anyhow. I go 200% because I don't know any other speed. hehehe

SallyG said:

I'm genuinely curious... are you implying that 24s (or anyone really) should not work hard because they play with some people who play at a disadvantage?

Explain yo.

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I can't help that you're ignoring "the assignment" because you're clearly reading between the lines. Sorry if this was too much to take in. Everything I've stated is factual at one point or another from what I've gathered during my experiences in the bracket. If you're focusing too hard on being offended then you've missed the point entirely and for that I apologize.

Drayner said:

The biggest disadvantage I see for the F2P community is the 20s that come into the WSG with no enchants and shitty gear. Saw a rogue in one last night that had a level 13-14 robe on... That spirit is gonna help! He had a decent sword, but his off hand was a white weapon from questing. He ran around stealthed all game and ended up with like 1200 damage and 15 deaths.

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Was probably a genuine trial player and shouldn't be criticized. This bracket is blizzards attempt at introducing new players to PvP, not letting them be face rolled by 20's and 24's in full heirlooms and world boe's. I think we on both sides loose sight of that.

Xaosync said:

I can't help that you're ignoring "the assignment" because you're clearly reading between the lines. Sorry if this was too much to take in. Everything I've stated is factual at one point or another from what I've gathered during my experiences in the bracket. If you're focusing too hard on being offended then you've missed the point entirely and for that I apologize.

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Neatly evaded.

And I'm certainly not offended by the 24 jab, I don't even play 24. Just curious. Wondering what your reasoning on why people shouldn't be try-hards is (or why it is a bad thing). Go hard or go home. In all facets of life yo.

Guess no explanation then?

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Neatly evaded.

And I'm certainly not offended by the 24 jab, I don't even play 24. Just curious. Wondering what your reasoning on why people shouldn't be try-hards is (or why it is a bad thing). Go hard or go home. In all facets of life yo.

Guess no explanation then?

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I never said they shouldn't try hard. I'm asking why they do.

It wasn't a jab at 24's it was a fact. I don't deal in "jabs". If you took it that way than it's because you're far more interested in the tried and true TI pastime of starting shit instead of posting anything of substance and that's your problem, not mine. Now if you don't have anything on-topic to say I'd appreciate you just leaving the thread before I have to bother a moderator.

Xaosync said:

I'm asking why they do.

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And I'm asking... why wouldn't they? Why is this even a question.

People that go hard aren't lazy, half-assers? You don't need a questionnaire to unravel that fancy tidbit.

Nonetheless, continue on with your experiment. I'm sure the results will be extremely revealing.

Xaosync said:

I see a lot of 24's playing at 200% effort and I'm just honestly curious as to what the logic is behind it when 60% of the bracket is at a clear and sometimes severe disadvantage.

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60% of the bracket adds nothing to an objective-focused WSG team. I don't care if they have high level enchants, professions, guilds or pretty pink shirts with a vanity buff - if someone's put a decent amount of effort into their character and tries to play objectively, they're contributing to the bracket. The character I'm playing and the gear it's wearing has very little bearing on the way I approach or react to games.

How would you answer those questions from a F2P perspective? Does that differ from how you'd answer them as a 24?

Swoops said:

if someone's put a decent amount of effort into their character and tries to play objectively, they're contributing to the bracket.

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That's what this topics about though. If a 5 man 24 group plays at their hardest, it's absolutely no contest and the game usually ends in less than 8 minutes if they don't decide to farm. That's why I'm trying to understand the logic behind because I've been seeing a lot of it lately. The tactics and effort just seem wasted in a bracket where a majority of the players pretty much have to resign from playing in a scenario such as that.

Swoops said:

Does that differ from how you'd answer them as a 24?

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If I ever decided to pay for this game again, I couldn't see myself in the 20-24 bracket. While I play at my best for sport, and challenge on my F2P's, if I were on a P2P I would play in a bracket where everyone had equal opportunities as far as character progression goes. As rewarding as winning a game as a 24 in the 20-24 bracket is, I think it would be even more rewarding in what could be considered a more respectable bracket for me to play in, being a P2P and not having limitations.

Xaosync said:

That's what this topics about though. If a 5 man 24 group plays at their hardest, it's absolutely no contest and the game usually ends in less than 8 minutes if they don't decide to farm. That's why I'm trying to understand the logic behind because I've been seeing a lot of it lately. The tactics and effort just seem wasted in a bracket where a majority of the players pretty much have to resign from playing in a scenario such as that.

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I think these types of groups have popped up a bit more often since people started advertising/encouraging the use of OQueue in the bracket .

Two balanced 5 mans playing against each other results in the best pug games. I don't personally think it's worth wading through all the 6 minute 3 caps where you'll have no competition, but not everyone thinks the same way. I guess the choice comes down to if you'd rather be frustrated or bored in unbalanced games.

Swoops said:

I think these types of groups have popped up a bit more often since people started advertising/encouraging the use of OQueue in the bracket .

Two balanced 5 mans playing against each other results in the best pug games. I don't personally think it's worth wading through all the 6 minute 3 caps where you'll have no competition, but not everyone thinks the same way. I guess the choice comes down to if you'd rather be frustrated or bored in unbalanced games.

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Good point.

What encourages you to do your best?
Ruining other people's scores.
Do you feel like you're contributing to the bracket?
Yes, killing some egos.
Is there anything you wish you did better?
Splitted myself up soo that i could kill more of them.

The whole point of twinking is to be the best, so why wouldn't you try hard? If you just want to socialize and play with your friends reroll on moonguard and play quiz games outside of pornshire.

If a 5 man 24 group plays at their hardest, it's absolutely no contest and the game usually ends in less than 8 minutes if they don't decide to farm.

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Maybe, maybe not. If they run into those FTPs from Aerie Peak who are in vent together and understand teamwork, then there's a good chance that the 5x24 team will get trampled if they get at all cocky who or let their guard down. I've seen it happen many times.

When I'm on alliance, if I enter the Silverwing flag room, and see the horde order of battle with Topdown, Ploy, and those other hard pipe-hittin' monsters from AP too numerous to mention, or some guy like Bisonpower or Phront, then I tell everyone on my team that it will be a tough fight and that we have no room for error. It happened just a few weeks ago and a certain ftp hunter responded to me with something like "I know them, they're all bad." Guess which hunter afk'd out after the horde first capped all over us...

With the scaling, the difference between a well-geared 20 and a well-geared 24 shrinks down to irrelevance (except for shadow priests; well-geared 24 spriests hit really hard, but are also quite squishy). In fact, it seems that most well-geared ftp rogues have more hit, crit and health than my 24 rogue.

When I solo queue I play hard. When I group I usually just goof off.

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Capias said:

In fact, it seems that most well-geared ftp rogues have more hit, crit and health than my 24 rogue.

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Those naughty FTP Rogues with 700 AP and oodles of crit!

PVP is fun! ...and...it's fun to win! That doesn't always happen and thats ok but there is no reason to not give 200% imo? I would like to be a better player overall so I see no reason not to try my best.

Cause rolling F2P scrubs is fun, and winning is fun. So I go as hard as I can.

Doped24 said:

What encourages you to do your best?
Ruining other people's scores.
Do you feel like you're contributing to the bracket?
Yes, killing some egos.
Is there anything you wish you did better?
Splitted myself up soo that i could kill more of them.

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holy shit, talk about trying hard. this guy here...