Message to EU 20-29s

Othanc

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Message to fellow 29s, whether you started playing 20 or not.

If you are sick and tired of F2P and other 20s dictating how you ought to play and you'd like to return to playing with your 29 toons, I invite you to join us.

No one, I repeat, no one, can tell you how you should play and at what level. Twinking was always about playing at the highest level in the bracket. Our war is not with you but those who think they own the bracket.

Our community of 29s is growing stronger every day, and our door is open to you.
The behavior which the lvl 20s engage in is unacceptable and in direct violation of Blizzard's Code of Conduct, do not partake in it. Sooner or later, there will be consequences.

All those who are coordinating, openly or covertly, to falsely mass report 29s and kick us from BGs have been documented and there will be consequences. People will say thay Blizzard simply does not care, but what they don't know is the organized nature of the defense and complaints we've mounted against these abusers who think they own the bracket, and the documentation of this phenomenon.

We also welcome lvl 20s who play F2P because they simply do not have the means to pay for a subscription, as we understand it may be expensive for some.

Once again, I extend an invitation to for you to join us in "kick-immune" premades and freely play with your 29s againt without fearing the tyrannical lvl 20s who think they can tell you how you ought to play.

If you play on EU servers, Horde or Alliance, our door is open to you.

Feel free to reply to this with discord info and we can talk if you'd like to hear more.

Sincerely,
Shado/Othanc
 
Othanc said:
No one, I repeat, no one, can tell you how you should play and at what level.
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low effort bait but sure. not like im missing a wsg over it or anything.
It is an absolute right of every person to tell you what should think, do or play.
Just as it is your and everyone else's right to accept it or ignore it.

But since you dipshits too spineless to understand such a fact i wish you all the luck pathetically sitting in 3 hr, queue nervously smoking just for a single 4v6 seizure that is totally yours because lets face it no one even being drunk for a week would tap that with a paper bag over it.

Your sad display of ownership and investment in your "bracket" over the years has proven to anyone with a single retinal that the only thing you own and stand for is shit in your mouth. From our fellow russian premades that dodging any competitive games just as lawlessly as they dodging being a fodder for fpv drone target practice to our beloved ravencrest and argent dawn worms to whom it is a day wasted unless they get that heroin shot of gy farming 3 people for that sweet 250k achievement they were too young to know about back in 2012.

You state that it is your right to play what you desire just the way you want all the time and i applaud you for that!
I clap for you and it just as hard as i clap that report afk button while you stand still gy camping in a dying game.

Unlike you and yours, the fellow level 20s do not have a constant need to justify the useless existence you fellow 29 snowflake experiencing every day and so most people tapped out from "your" bracket and many from "your" game in general. Your constant and at times maniacal obsession to insert your ownership on other people, time, fun and life experience has only led to ruins and complete lack of any enjoyment in this bracket and game (as little there was to begin with).
So please dear imbecile, record that in your book and better yet tattoo it on your forehead along side all that giant dick and balls you so lovingly sing around while being part of your bellowed pack mentality. Do so as soon as possible while your premade last because lets face it - without one you vanish faster than the rules based order.

Enjoy the emptiness you worked so hard for.
It is all yours son.

 
I invite all EU 20s to report this guy for actual hacking and get him banned. Blizz is trigger happy right now too so now’s your chance

Eliminate this shitter from existence
 
If people cared and were shooting for a level twink playing field it would be all about the 19s wouldn't it?
But for some mysterious reason people keep pushing for 29s...

I wonder why that could be. A mystery I'm sure!

That mystery aside, F2P PvP was most enjoyable when they actually stood some semblance of chance against higher levels. The moment the meta turned into 1 global (even against someone else of the same level) there was simply no point anymore. I mean sure there's some people find the current meta playable, but as far as I can tell the glory days have been dead for a good long while now. I'm not going to sit in a que for a half hour to enter a match to spend the entire time at the graveyard.

These days whenever I have a PvP itch I just roll a new level 10 and just do random BGs with it until level 20.

On a side note, I never really understood what the 29s were doing; when 20s used to que with the levelers it was like every game had 29 twinks running in them, and the 20 F2Pers were the only ones who even stood a chance at slowing them down as the levelers got completely destroyed.

Then when 20s got shuffled into the exp off bracket it was just premades of five 29s curbstomping the other team. I even remember some 29s perpetually bragging here about how everyone else had to suck it up or whatever, and didn't care that the twinking PvP scene was dying; that there was nothing anyone could do, but thought people would just que into the woodchipper for all of eternity, until they didn't.

I just find it amusing that the 29s ruined things for themselves so terribly that the 20s are able to report 29s out of a match now.
 
Man I so fucking wish I had twinked out when XPoff players werent quarantined to their own battlegrounds.

Miss resilience gear too. Just gyard camping bums match after match after match.
 
BoatsAndHoes said:
Man I so fucking wish I had twinked out when XPoff players werent quarantined to their own battlegrounds.

Miss resilience gear too. Just gyard camping bums match after match after match.
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Those were the glory days. Being a level 20 twink in the leveling bracket was the best, your presence would tilt the battle in your favor but it wouldn't outright dominate it. The power level of a level 20 twink was about 2-3 leveling 29s, and due to the nature of levelers in the bracket sometimes your team would have a bunch of 20-25 levelers and their team would have a bunch of level 26-29s so the match would even out. You'd frequently have level 20 twinks on both sides, so that changed the dynamic of how matches were played as well, but at the end of the day those matches felt pretty fair.

Yet even back during that time you had 29s FREQUENTLY glitching their way into the leveling bracket and just completely ruining games. People knew it instantly as well because someone in the team saw them from the previous game and the game would go as predicted: The 29s just hurrdurring their way through the other team until they just stayed at the GYs. A part of me thinks they were ultimately the reason why 20s got thrown into the exp off bracket because of all of the reports of xp off characters running around in the leveling bracket destroying the levelers. Well the 29 xpoffs were never supposed to be there to begin with, so likely the F2Ps ended up catching the flak and the blame. If that's true that only adds more the irony really, that the toxic 29s ruined their own bracket because they were the ones who pushed the F2Ps into it in the first place.
 
Just to let you all 29s know, the more you que into BG the less BGs there will be. We dont care about your level, its the fact that all the f2ps and 20s wont que if its full of 29s. And then we have a twink bracket with no BGs. Thats shit. 20s carry the ques not 29s. Thats a fact.
 
Waiwhat said:
Just to let you all 29s know, the more you que into BG the less BGs there will be. We dont care about your level, its the fact that all the f2ps and 20s wont que if its full of 29s. And then we have a twink bracket with no BGs. Thats shit. 20s carry the ques not 29s. Thats a fact.
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let me tell you guys a story from me in the midst of shadowlands season 1:

I soon realized i could use threads of fate to farm reputation through world quests, and i did, in fact, grinded for about 3 months breadcrumbs of reputation (about 450 for each faction a day, 1k at best) i did equipped that juicy ilvl 200 gear as level 50, which was about 1 entire tier (about 45 ilvl higher) than the current mythic nzoth ilvl drop.

i was ilvl 181 in a bracket where everyone else, at the very cutting edge, would get 135ilvl, then i transfered my toon to the shadowlands account and started queing.

At the first month or two it was all fun games, horde specially was having a really bad time in the bracket and my presence in the bgs basically meant a certain win (in their minds at least), i used to crit 14k aimed shots in people with 8k hp (normal levelers) twinks had their 19k ~~ 20k hp, i was around 28k hp. After a bit of time people started to catch up to me, entire premades focusing in killing me (i was not any super hero, was about 40% more stats, sure, but that was it) and started to do their own grinding, that included: having an expansion and 1 or 2 character transfers which, at the time, i did with gold. The whole strategy for my hunter cost me about 1 mil gold and the grind. i got many kills killing level 60s on world pvp, even pvp geared level 60s used to die to my 50 to the sheer amount of stats i had, and i used a trinket that made my versality hit about the cap 98%


TLDR: my hunter was an absolute unit of a beast.

What happened around the 4 month? Twinks started quitting the bg / queue dodging me, and i was just winning every single game, over and over, nonstop to the point where the fun simply went away, other players from the alliance started to catch up and new teams arised. Few new twinks on the scene, party queues, it was possible to win against other ilvl 181 tooons, for sure, few people improved and got higher ilvl weapons, but the fun? it was gone man, there was no challange, people mad whispering, reports, the strategy went loose basically and the entire bracket fun died, for both sides. Long time twinks that are not hardcore twinks wouldnt put themselves to do that 3 month grind and the ones who did, started to suffer queue dodge from both sides, people stopped playing the bracket waiting for blizzard to do something, posts made on the forum, etc etc etc. it reached a point where my presence would cause well known players to quit, and i just needed to be there and do nothing, just walk around the bg and other horde would win the game cause there was no challenge

Blizzard fixed the ilvl at the midst of shadowlands season 2, but it was already too late, bracket was basically dead, it took a VERY LONG time for the bracket to get active again and just a spec of what it was.

Dragonflight came in, and the ilvl difference was around 120ilvl it was worse than before, so i didnt even bother to twink last expansion because of it (and yes the bracket was kept dead mostly for the entire expansion because of a few people having absurds amount of ilvl)

in the current state we are in, the ilvl difference is around 40 to 45 but it's related to 515+ ilvl, so the difference is less than it was before but still about 300 ilvl higher than a normal leveler - the system is still broken shit but better than last expansion


so bro, if you are having enjoyment great, but you can't be mad that a community is voting you out because of degenerate behaviour, as a degenerate myself (i would farm anyone at the graveyard always, no mercy, no values, just pure chaos) i understand that this game is made for everyone to have fun now and then, if you optimize it to the point of you're the only having the entire fun, you can't be mad that people are queue dodging or voting out

this situation is just griefing being countered with griefing, i take no sides as i've been in both
 
Whining about 29s and offering advice towards them, lol. Only thing cringerier than my post is everything above it. Yikes.
 
Sketchbag said:
Whining about 29s and offering advice towards them, lol. Only thing cringerier than my post is everything above it. Yikes.
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You might as well have said "and below" as well to cover all your bases.

At the end of the day most twinks are unbothered by the death of PvP. The level 10s-11s certainly don't care about it, nor do the level 30s and above it seems. At most I'll reminisce about the glory days of level 20 PvP but I don't particularly miss it. My favorite BGs are the epic ones, but good luck ever seeing those again outside Alterac Valley during the anniversary events. The 20s who do care about PvP they seem to regularly put together wargames and I find that neat.

Just seems to be a certain special subset of the twinking community that really gets bent out of shape not being able to GY farm.
 
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