best rogue spec?

Yes. As 10000 people said: Go combat, max. Agi, max. versatility!
A rogue is based on burst, so this is the setup for most burst.

Poetica @ Draenor - Community - World of Warcraft

Assa is fun, but not that good as combat.
And forget sub rogue, if u see at BG Targets a sub rogue u can be happy, he wont be any danger.
Sub ist just done.

lol @ the advice in this thread.

sub is on par with assassination if played correctly, i'd admit combat still has the clear edge on both but it's still relatively weak compared to rogue in the past. glasscannon agi 20s/29s were free kills for my sub 20 because as soon as they're out of stealth they're going to get 2 shot - your advice is only viable for wsg at best, and even then hybrid builds can perform equally well.

no matter which spec you pick it's going to come down to global'ing efcs, which all of the specs can do effortlessly if you have half of a brain.

unless class balance has changed significantly with the new trinkets / patches since june then all of the advice in this thread feels incredibly opinionated - OP, you do you. play whichever spec you enjoy most because in reality it's low level pvp so it's going to be a fucking joke either way if you're geared.
 
I prefer min maxing with agi / crit to maximize damage output, also it allows you to have a lot more stam which is nice in terms of recup and not dieing the second you open. This is only really an option at 20, since at 29 you get double gnomer ring. However, I obviously have a bis max agi set which I switch out when needed (efc kills mainly, but can be used in mid fight vs certain team comps).
 
lol @ the advice in this thread.

sub is on par with assassination if played correctly, i'd admit combat still has the clear edge on both but it's still relatively weak compared to rogue in the past. glasscannon agi 20s/29s were free kills for my sub 20 because as soon as they're out of stealth they're going to get 2 shot - your advice is only viable for wsg at best, and even then hybrid builds can perform equally well.

no matter which spec you pick it's going to come down to global'ing efcs, which all of the specs can do effortlessly if you have half of a brain.

unless class balance has changed significantly with the new trinkets / patches since june then all of the advice in this thread feels incredibly opinionated - OP, you do you. play whichever spec you enjoy most because in reality it's low level pvp so it's going to be a fucking joke either way if you're geared.

Well I do not get twoshotted out of stealth. Evasion, Healing Pot, Touch of the Void and gg.

I wanna see u globaling a efc with assa/sub :D
As I said I always love to see those rogue specs, because they're just no danger.
Show us your rogue, who can global efc. Please.
 
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Well I do not get twoshotted out of stealth. Evasion, Healing Pot, Touch of the Void and gg.

I wanna see u globaling a efc with assa/sub :D
As I said I always love to see those rogue specs, because they're just no danger.
Show us your rogue, who can global efc. Please.

got all 4 of my WoW licenses banned but here's my most recently updated character

for 29s make the obvious replacements of bvb / gnomer rings + bracers

agi to comfortable amount > crit > haste - you're going to want around 4k hp

haven't played since before the new trinkets but I'd imagine agm is still #1 unless the tentacle is instant burst or something

a good 29 equiv is this build - with zerker you'll be ambushing for 2k+ consistently w/o stacks followed by 1k eviscerate and thistle = ez kills

For assassination - same shit but double vultros or bvb if 29, more haste is also arguably acceptable

I've never felt even relatively threatened by a 29 combat in any bgs during WoD - it's easy to outperform or match them in all cases. My opinion definitely seems to contrast with yours here - might show lack of experience on your behalf if you can't see the viability of anything other than your main spec. Knowing firsthand (close to 500k hks in this bracket) how bad players tend to be I wouldn't be surprised if you just haven't been exposed to any decent non-combatfotm rogues.
 
got all 4 of my WoW licenses banned but here's my most recently updated character

for 29s make the obvious replacements of bvb / gnomer rings + bracers

agi to comfortable amount > crit > haste - you're going to want around 4k hp

haven't played since before the new trinkets but I'd imagine agm is still #1 unless the tentacle is instant burst or something

a good 29 equiv is this build - with zerker you'll be ambushing for 2k+ consistently w/o stacks followed by 1k eviscerate and thistle = ez kills

For assassination - same shit but double vultros or bvb if 29, more haste is also arguably acceptable

I've never felt even relatively threatened by a 29 combat in any bgs during WoD - it's easy to outperform or match them in all cases. My opinion definitely seems to contrast with yours here - might show lack of experience on your behalf if you can't see the viability of anything other than your main spec. Knowing firsthand (close to 500k hks in this bracket) how bad players tend to be I wouldn't be surprised if you just haven't been exposed to any decent non-combatfotm rogues.

Ok, addicted. Next!

Edit: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/Poetica/advanced

Still best setup for wsg lmao, even without 500k hks

*Popcorn eating*
 
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Explain pls, why crit over haste... Crit at 20-29 only gives u chance to do 150% dmg (we dont have Seal Fate - Spell - World of Warcraft or something similar at 20-29). But haste on the other side increases energy regeneretion, lowers GCD, weapon speed, increases EF procs over minute.

my entire playstyle as sub revolves around killing -> restealthing on cooldown, meaning that having a higher chance of crit ambush outweights any benefits of haste when engagements are confined to just a few seconds repeatedly. For sustained group fights, especially as combat spec - and some assass from what I've seen - haste may benefit you more, yet even then I would run crit since there's no need to ever be mid fighting as a rogue - you have boomkins and monks to fill that role, while you should be on efc and running between zerk huts 100% of game in wsg. I think sub's role is currently at it's greatest in cleaning up during ongoing team fights - ambushing to immediately kill any targets then restealth and repeat as needed - which can be best seen in av / eots. I often ran haste head for av and vultros for wsg but that's pretty much the only changes I ever needed to make, despite having enchants on all potentially useful gear pieces.

these were my last 10 games before being banned - I am yet to see any equally effective rogue playstyles for non-wsg vet - haste stacked combat is definitely viable as well, yet if played incorrectly the majority of your dps will be off of bladeflurry padding instead of applying actual pressure.

as I mentioned in my earlier post, it's 20-29 - with gear and common sense any setup can and will succeed. this is my preferred method of playing but I can see why many people would rather stick to just combat when rogue is a total joke at the moment - despite its burst power, the class has little utility compared to cata and is far less powerful than it was in MoP, leaving combat as the popular option for current facerolling (and hey, who doesn't like pressing 3 buttons to global people? That's this bracket in summary.)

Ok, addicted. Next!

Edit: Poetica @ Draenor - Community - World of Warcraft

Still best setup for wsg lmao, even without 500k hks

*Popcorn eating*

a viable setup? sure, but once again it's all opinion based - if two setups can perform the same at equal effectiveness, in the form of global'ing (preferably via 1 shot) the efc, then it's pointless to declare one as any more effective than the other. a brain + common sense is all you need to do well in this bracket - and if we're going off of the truly "best" 29 builds, your character clearly lacks the items needed to classify as bis - skullbreaker and gf'd enchants will lead to a significant burst increase if that's what your build relies on.

have fun remaining closeminded! I've seen hundreds of similar players over the years - hopefully a decent assassin / sub will show up to change your mind at some point.

to get back to the point of this topic - OP needs to try out all three specs and decide on which he prefers to play, as all are viable and will perform at the same level if played correctly.
 
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my entire playstyle as sub revolves around killing -> restealthing on cooldown, meaning that having a higher chance of crit ambush outweights any benefits of haste when engagements are confined to just a few seconds repeatedly. For sustained group fights, especially as combat spec - and some assass from what I've seen - haste may benefit you more, yet even then I would run crit since there's no need to ever be mid fighting as a rogue - you have boomkins and monks to fill that role, while you should be on efc and running between zerk huts 100% of game in wsg. I think sub's role is currently at it's greatest in cleaning up during ongoing team fights - ambushing to immediately kill any targets then restealth and repeat as needed - which can be best seen in av / eots. I often ran haste head for av and vultros for wsg but that's pretty much the only changes I ever needed to make, despite having enchants on all potentially useful gear pieces.

these were my last 10 games before being banned - I am yet to see any equally effective rogue playstyles for non-wsg vet - haste stacked combat is definitely viable as well, yet if played incorrectly the majority of your dps will be off of bladeflurry padding instead of applying actual pressure.

as I mentioned in my earlier post, it's 20-29 - with gear and common sense any setup can and will succeed. this is my preferred method of playing but I can see why many people would rather stick to just combat when rogue is a total joke at the moment - despite its burst power, the class has little utility compared to cata and is far less powerful than it was in MoP, leaving combat as the popular option for current facerolling (and hey, who doesn't like pressing 3 buttons to global people? That's this bracket in summary.)



a viable setup? sure, but once again it's all opinion based - if two setups can perform the same at equal effectiveness, in the form of global'ing (preferably via 1 shot) the efc, then it's pointless to declare one as any more effective than the other. a brain + common sense is all you need to do well in this bracket - and if we're going off of the truly "best" 29 builds, your character clearly lacks the items needed to classify as bis - skullbreaker and gf'd enchants will lead to a significant burst increase if that's what your build relies on.

have fun remaining closeminded! I've seen hundreds of similar players over the years - hopefully a decent assassin / sub will show up to change your mind at some point.

to get back to the point of this topic - OP needs to try out all three specs and decide on which he prefers to play, as all are viable and will perform at the same level if played correctly.

Wall of text.
Reality: Enter a wsg and look what u get: versatility stacked combat rogs or haste/versa stacked assa rogue. Nothing else, but keep on your nice writing lol.
 
Personally, I feel like assassination and combat are pretty equal, but it really comes down to how you play the game and the decisions you make. Are you gonna open on a full health bm monk and expect to win? Or are you gonna try to hit the spriest/boomkin/healer and insta-gib him? Or are you gonna 1v3 and expect to be a hero. It's all decision based as a rogue, assuming, gear is up-to-par.

For example, Xc plays a phenomenal assassination rogue. I play an okay combat rogue. Visual plays both very well. it's really about the player and not the "spec" as a rogue.
 
BiS gear + best rogue player = doesn't get better, pretty ez

Can't comment on skill but that isn't bis for anything but versatility. Straight ap offers more damage. Not that my toon is bis, but I don't claim to be.
 
Can't comment on skill but that isn't bis for anything but versatility. Straight ap offers more damage. Not that my toon is bis, but I don't claim to be.

I went straight AP. U can't get more nowadays, except with cloaked shoulderpads.
But otherwise its BiS for max. AP Set up nowadays
 
I was told combat was the way to go. What does assassination offer that combat doesn't at 20?
 

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