29 Rogue Dagger, Daring Dirk?

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vegeta

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Daring Dirk - Item - World of Warcraft

5 agil ilvl 34 1.6 speed.... that speed tho, everyone tells me use sentinel's over talon on my 20 cus a faster dagger oh is better even though I lose 1 agil and some crit, glass cannon keep in mind(plus i like the 2.0 speed on talon cus most peopel swap to another sword after ambush and I feel talons speed gives me decent numbers since its as slow as a fast sword yet you still get the 40% bonus) So wouldn't the same thign apply here? You lose 1 agil to sentinel's but it's faster so same logic? Why is a faster dagger oh better? I'ma noob someone elaborate for me and clear this mess up haha.
 
I think it depends on situation and player style. That dagger would only be good in Ass spec . It also wouldn't scale IMO due to item lvl and stay at 5 agility.
 
Honey badger said:
I think it depends on situation and player style. That dagger would only be good in Ass spec . It also wouldn't scale IMO due to item lvl and stay at 5 agility.
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I know it wont scale but its like 1-2 agil less than the other daggers w/ a much faster speed, But ya prolly use it as an OH on my assasin til i get another BVB
 
a Good rogue will make 0.1 slower dagger work. You be surprise on a rogue how much 1-3 agility/Ap makes a difference especially with orc racial and enrage/zerg buff from hutt % modifier.
 
Honey badger said:
a Good rogue will make 0.1 slower dagger work. You be surprise on a rogue how much 1-3 agility/Ap makes a difference especially with orc racial and enrage/zerg buff from hutt % modifier.
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ya i mean i rock talons on my 20s over sent, ill take the 1 agil n crit n bigger numbers :p i was just going for a completely dif build rogue than i have
 
The Weapon Speed has no effect on posion procs

Here's the formula

(weaponspeed) / 60 (sec per min)

I'm not sure if that's the speed before or after haste is factored in but I believe it is after so weapon speed or haste play a factor

Sir Twinks Alot said:
Daring Dirk - Item - World of Warcraft
yet you still get the 40% bonus
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The 40pct Only Applies to your MH to balance out the difference in weapon speed, Ambush doesn't increase because you have a dagger in your MH.
 
Crescent offhand for swag, though you can't use in assass. I would still rock a sentinel's blade/bvb in OH over either though regardless of spec.
 
Herbalhydro said:
The Weapon Speed has no effect on posion procs

Here's the formula

(weaponspeed) / 60 (sec per min)

I'm not sure if that's the speed before or after haste is factored in but I believe it is after so weapon speed or haste play a factor



The 40pct Only Applies to your MH to balance out the difference in weapon speed, Ambush doesn't increase because you have a dagger in your MH.
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I use a Dagger OH on my combat rogues, idk who said using a dagger MH for anything but assassin spec lol,
 
Most rogues will ambush w/ teh dagger OH then swap it out, and i understand what you are getting at that it's 40% to even out the dmg not like your ambush will hit 40% harder, but ya using a dagger on a combat rogue at some points is crucial u don't just wanna run around w/ 2 sf's 100% of the time although you'd probably get away with it
 
Sir Twinks Alot said:
Most rogues will ambush w/ teh dagger OH then swap it out, and i understand what you are getting at that it's 40% to even out the dmg not like your ambush will hit 40% harder, but ya using a dagger on a combat rogue at some points is crucial u don't just wanna run around w/ 2 sf's 100% of the time although you'd probably get away with it
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No, that's not how that works.
Herbalhydro said:
The Weapon Speed has no effect on posion procs

Here's the formula

(weaponspeed) / 60 (sec per min)

I'm not sure if that's the speed before or after haste is factored in but I believe it is after so weapon speed or haste play a factor
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No, that's not how that works.

You guys gotta look at the tooltips.
 
verh said:
No, that's not how that works.

No, that's not how that works.

You guys gotta look at the tooltips.
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Posions as I stated before is
(Weapon Speed)/60*(predetermined number for that spell)

The formula for ambush with a dagger in your MH (ONLY)
[(Low End DMG)*(3.15)*(1.4)]-[(Top End DMG)*(3.15)*(1.4)]

The formula for ambush with anything else
[(Low End DMG)*(3.15)]-[(Top End DMG)*(3.15)]

ToV has the highest top end of any dagger because it is a 1.9 speed if we are talking about swapping MH

If it's an OH the only way swapping weapons increases your ambush DMG is if the weapon you swap to has higher Agi then the one you swap out because 1 agi=1 weapon DMG for combat for sub *1.15
So if you gain 5 agi by switching out daggers you gain 5*3.15 as combat and (5*1.15)*3.15 if your also using a dagger MH *1.4 as well
 
The two biggest prices of miss information in this thread are that weapon speed effects posion procs and having a dagger in your OH increases ambush just by being a dagger

The tool top only states the mean of the formula the formula it's self is more accurate
 
so should i use duel shadowfang or one shadowfang and offhand tov? Im wondering about all this as well.
 
Sir Twinks Alot said:
explain then, is every rogue that uses a dagger n swaps out a retard?
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No, but they swap the mainhand dagger out, not the OH.
Herbalhydro said:
Posions as I stated before is
(Weapon Speed)/60*(predetermined number for that spell)
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No, for sub and combat poison proc chance is 50% off all melee attacks for crip and 30% for deadly, and mut gets a buff. This means that weapon speed directly affects the rate of poison procs, but not the percent chance to proc per attack.
 
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