In Defense of HARVEST

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Hunnybuns

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Anyone who knows me on a serious level understands my strong disapproval and push towards ending Ddos in the 19s bracket, whether it be through my posting on TI, my recent public podcast on the issue of how to handle Ddos (85 Put on Blast - 15 Minute with HB) , or for anyone who watches my stream and on a every-other nightly basis I get hit offline.

First off I cannot stress this enough, please listen to the podcast I put out and listen to my full thoughts before you make ignorant comments directed at me or my teammates.

My guild HARVEST is the primary target in the bracket of Ddos, we cannot even do premades most of the time anymore simply due to one individual in the community (Barbarous, composer of the Imgur Screenshots) hitting players of my team offline. It has caused me to go to the point of going through extensive changes in how I play World of Warcraft and even my real life at this point, causing our whole house's Internet/Cable etc to go down.

It's easy for people to point fingers, claim what is right and wrong. It's another to be a person suffering from these issues firsthand. I get hit off on a regular basis. Lucas gets hit off on a regular basis. Livingforce used to get hit off on a regular basis.

There are a lot of double standards at the moment with certain twinks, I made a thread just a few weeks ago addressing a member in the community who hit off player in my guild, and instantly as soon as we came to terms with one another I gave full forgiveness, because I respect the player and person, just want to move on from this silly nonsense. Many other members of the community shared my similar opinion of forgive and move on.

Yet I believe due to personal prejudice against members in HARVEST, players are not giving my friends and teammates that same opportunity and are instantly shunning them to be left out of the Twink Cup.

All of the screenshots that Barb compiled of members in my guild, (once again, the player who cried wolf, the guy who single handedly ddosed everyone throughout the entire tournament last year) compiled the screenshots from 2-3 months ago, this was before HARVEST was formed and I knew certain members on my team on a personal level, while this is a serious issue and should be taken as such, these players have left this in the past, I would not play/associate myself with players that are taking these kind of actions against other members of the community. My teammates that previously Ddosd before i made HARVEST have stopped since I have been playing with them, Kunz and myself had a serious talk with members in our guild that these kind actions of actions will not continue if we plan to play together.

The only people being actively DDosd at this point are members or people who associate with HARVEST or myself. Please reconsider giving guilty members of my team a second chance
 
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Anyone who knows me on a serious level understands my strong disapproval and push towards ending Ddos in the 19s bracket, whether it be through my posting on TI, my recent public podcast on the issue of how to handle Ddos (85 Put on Blast - 15 Minute with HB) , or for anyone who watches my stream and on a every-other nightly basis I get hit offline.

First off I cannot stress this enough, please listen to the podcast I put out and listen to my full thoughts before you make ignorant comments directed at me or my teammates.

My guild HARVEST is the primary target in the bracket of Ddos, we cannot even do premades most of the time anymore simply due to one individual in the community (Barbarous, composer of the Imgur Screenshots) hitting players of my team offline. It has caused me to go to the point of going through extensive changes in how I play World of Warcraft and even my real life at this point, causing our whole house's Internet/Cable etc to go down.

It's easy for people to point fingers, claim what is right and wrong. It's another to be a person suffering from these issues firsthand. I get hit off on a regular basis. Lucas gets hit off on a regular basis. Livingforce used to get hit off on a regular basis.

There are a lot of double standards at the moment with certain twinks, I made a thread just a few weeks ago addressing a few members in the community who hit off player in my guild, and instantly as soon as we came to terms with one another I gave full forgiveness, because I respect the player and person, just want to move on from this silly nonsense. Many other members of the community shared my similar opinion of forgive and move on.

Yet I believe due to personal prejudice against members in HARVEST, players are not giving my friends and teammates that same opportunity and are instantly shunning them to be left out of the Twink Cup.

All of the screenshots that Barb compiled of members in my guild, (once again, the player who cried wolf, the guy who single handedly ddosed everyone throughout the entire tournament last year) compiled the screenshots from 2-3 months ago, this was before HARVEST was formed and I knew certain members on my team on a personal level, while this is a serious issue and should be taken as such, these players have left this in the past, I would not play/associate myself with players that are taking these kind of actions against other members of the community. My teammates that previously Ddosd before i made HARVEST have stopped since I have been playing with them, Kunz and myself had a serious talk with members in our guild that these kind actions of actions will not continue if we plan to play together.

The only people being actively DDosd at this point are members or people who associate with HARVEST or myself. Please reconsider giving guilty members of my team a second chance

Did your stream get hit off the other day? it suddenly ended :(
 
All this is pretty pointless. As a banned member said, 99% of posters have no effect on the twink cup. Myrm, the foremost community leaders, and the major donators can make their decisions. The rest of this discussion is just unreadable drivel.
 
This reminds me of when that awful man "Mtvriffraff" jacked Tapout's guild. The propaganda that ensued was gold.

Ddos'ers are the jerks of all jerks, though, so I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this one.
 
Or, people could grow a set of balls, and pay the appropriate price for their actions.

I realize that "personal accountability" is a foreign concept to you, but by just giving people waivers, you're just perpetuating the stereotype that 19s don't give a flying fuck about fair play or decent games

Maybe the reason that you "instantly forgave" the person who DDoSed you, was because you found out about the IP harvesters and DDoSers in your own guild? Just because you have a podcast, doesn't make you any more honest than the average politician.
 
19s don't give a flying fuck about fair play or decent games

Please stop typing. You are generalizing a very large group of players quite negatively in a single sentence. Counterexample: I am a 19 twink. I care about fair play and enjoy decent games. Therefore, some 19s DO give a "flying fuck" about fair play and decent games. GG
 
Maybe the reason that you "instantly forgave" the person who DDoSed you, was because you found out about the IP harvesters and DDoSers in your own guild?
This wasn't commented towards me, but I'm going to reply because I was also targeted, and once I found out (today) I immediately forgave them. Why? Because I've since played with Skeezin. He joined DPL wargames without issue. I trust him when he says this was a one time thing for funzies.

For fucks sake, I played a hunter for over a year in Wrath before I saw the light to not be a scumbag.
 
Please stop typing. You are generalizing a very large group of players quite negatively in a single sentence. Counterexample: I am a 19 twink. I care about fair play and enjoy decent games. Therefore, some 19s DO give a "flying fuck" about fair play and decent games. GG

I've got 2 Sergeants still at 19. I'll call the toxic shits and hypocrites out as I see them.
 
Fuk u all ill roll with harvest till I'm dead and done Lil snitch fag twinkerS out there trying to dodge and ruin undoubtedly the top team in the mother Fukin twink cup bunch of pussys
 
Fuk u all ill roll with harvest till I'm dead and done Lil snitch fag twinkerS out there trying to dodge and ruin undoubtedly the top team in the mother Fukin twink cup bunch of pussys

I can't be the only one noticing that that people defending HARVEST are acting like children and acting like they live the thug life?
 
What'd u say Lil bitvh u fight our 10 man oh wait u guys already did :eek: how we act means nothing we are still the team to beat and this is clearly an attempt to rid us from the tournament
 
Saxxon: veteran, donator, professional slam dunk poster
 
I can't be the only one noticing that that people defending HARVEST are acting like children and acting like they live the thug life?

r u trying 2 say that saxx is not thug af?
 
I think it's crazy how people would take a risk that, though unlikely, could land you in a federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison. I wonder if the people that are doing this even know that this is a crime under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. I mean life is all about risk, but disobey the law at your own peril. Seriously, not even bringing ethics into this, could you imagine having to tell people you're in prison over a video game? I'm no lawyer, but knowing how messed up the justice system is, I'm not sure you'd be worse off contriving a phishing scheme.

I'm not really coming down on any particular party here, I'm just saying, before you do something, think about the consequences. Sure, you'll probably never get caught because you're a good person, and only bad people go to prison. Yet, our prisons are full of good people that made bad mistakes. You're probably thinking, srs, you're crazy and are going overboard with the legal stuff. Yeah, maybe, the likelihood of getting caught is very low. However, you do it long enough, and you'll eventually mess with that one wrong dude, then all the sudden you're in the shit.

Internet is, in all practicality, a utility. Think about how you would feel if someone came and shut off your gas, electric, or water. You'd want to shoot someone. And that's why we have the law. As much of a farce as it is, it does provide the one function of giving victims the feeling that the someone has been punished for what happened to them. Whether justice actually happens or not, is a question for philosophers, or god. Personally, I'd say our justice system is not really any better than a coin flip, but it does produce finality.

Without a such a system, we'd just end up with perpetual vendettas. I think that's what we have here. Everything is fair is love and war. And when someone comes after you and your friends, then nothing is off limits. The problem with this, is that you end up doing the same things as the monsters that you hate, and then you are the monster. You've done things that you would never tolerate of others in your pursuit of "justice".

Anything like a "twink court" would be just as much of a dog and pony show as the US justice system. Any accuser would have vested interest in seeing the competition eliminated. And if you're looking for the instigators of this travesty, look for those that are coming out against HARVEST, they have the most to gain.

So, what do we do? l say we just accept the fact that we're all scumbags, proxy up, and move on.
 
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I like those Harvest guys, they are really nice and I hear they donate eggs bi-monthly to charity :)
 
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