Stam-Stacked Lock

[Bloodinhoo]

So, i was giving a check at Neon's CC mage guide, and i was considering the same for a warlock. Is it worth it to stack stamina as a lock, in any spec?

I guess not as destro, but what about Demo or Affli, wouldn't give this particular lock the oportunity to be like a magical bruiser, outlasting the oponents with cc and lifesteal?

Thoughts please.

 

[Mrcer]

The only reasons why you should ever stack stam are:

If you class has a low %SP UI Tooltip on spells
You are tank spec
You plan on FCing

On horde, majority of your gear already has BiS Stam items and Warlocks scale really well with their SP(Unlike Mages). You shouldn't need to stack stam.

 

[Bop]

The only reasons why you should ever stack stam are:

If you class has a low %SP UI Tooltip on spells
You are tank spec
You plan on FCing

On horde, majority of your gear already has BiS Stam items and Warlocks scale really well with their SP(Unlike Mages). You shouldn't need to stack stam.

Pretty much this.

That being said, you could adapt a playstyle that wasn't focused on damage so much as it was almost like a "leech" duelist.

In that case, you probably would want a massive amount of stamina and to go Demonology (for the leap and the cc).

It wouldn't be as effective at overall damage in a battleground than stacking standard stats, but it may have higher potential to win 1v1's.

 

[Bloodinhoo]

Pretty much this.

That being said, you could adapt a playstyle that wasn't focused on damage so much as it was almost like a "leech" duelist.

In that case, you probably would want a massive amount of stamina and to go Demonology (for the leap and the cc).

It wouldn't be as effective at overall damage in a battleground than stacking standard stats, but it may have higher potential to win 1v1's.

That seems what i would want, yes. I would spec Harvest Life instead of Whatever the name is the spell that heals me? Also, for ally, most of the BiS would be boas, correct?

Seems easier to go Destro indeed heheheh.

What would be good classes to stack Stam, disconsidering tanks? I don't have these options for SP in the tooltip.

 

[Mrcer]

I don't have these options for SP in the tooltip.

Wowhead has the tooltips and you can view each spell by going Tools->Talent Calculator

 

[Allybeboba]

The only reasons why you should ever stack stam are:

If you class has a low %SP UI Tooltip on spells
You are tank spec
You plan on FCing

On horde, majority of your gear already has BiS Stam items and Warlocks scale really well with their SP(Unlike Mages). You shouldn't need to stack stam.

On this I disagree. Since scaling has taken place, I have chosen to stamina stack my Resto shamans on both Alliance and horde. This style has served me very well. Now, mind you, I did no go full on stamina. I set myself a minor goal of what spellpower I thought was viable and built my set around that.
But, heals are focused a LOT more than DPS are focused.
/cheers

Sweetsidney

 

[Mrcer]

On this I disagree. Since scaling has taken place, I have chosen to stamina stack my Resto shamans on both Alliance and horde. This style has served me very well. Now, mind you, I did no go full on stamina. I set myself a minor goal of what spellpower I thought was viable and built my set around that.
But, heals are focused a LOT more than DPS are focused.
/cheers

Sweetsidney

Again, Majority of Caster gear is already bis stam set. unless you are wearing Of the stamina bracers/feet.
Bloodinhoo Let me use Veinte's priest has a template.http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/aerie-peak/Veinte/advanced

If you swapped Tryanny trinket with AGM that would be a decent stam build. you could also use JP boa staff for more dmg.

 

[TheFupaKing]

So, i was giving a check at Neon's CC mage guide, and i was considering the same for a warlock. Is it worth it to stack stamina as a lock, in any spec?

I guess not as destro, but what about Demo or Affli, wouldn't give this particular lock the oportunity to be like a magical bruiser, outlasting the oponents with cc and lifesteal?

Thoughts please.

I stack stam on my warlock Redruby.

My only reason to stack stam are the CC abilities and even though they aren't as good as they were in MoP.

RIP CoE </3

Ill still roll with it.

Plus I look pretty cute with 5000-7000 health. <3 <3

 

[LennywBT]

I personaly wouldnt do that. Helping in dmg is veryy important.

 

[Bloodinhoo]

I stack stam on my warlock Redruby.

My only reason to stack stam are the CC abilities and even though they aren't as good as they were in MoP.

RIP CoE </3

Ill still roll with it.

Plus I look pretty cute with 5000-7000 health. <3 <3

Ok, can you explain a bit what can you do with 5k health in a bg? I wanna know if i'll still be able to pull some weight.

 

[Sabzep]

intentionally not using the spellpower weapon is plain wrong.

There is no reason why you would prefer Dawnblade and Furblog Medicine Pouch over Dignified Headmaster Charge.


Numbers scaled in a BG:


naked: 64 Int/Spellpower
your gear: + 63 Int
DHC + 79 Spellpower


You could do 61% more damage. Thats the difference of your Frostbolt critting for 238 or 386.

IMHO: Life as a new mage withough DHC sucks tremendously.

 

[Bop]

intentionally not using the spellpower weapon is plain wrong.

Absolutely, there isn't really a reason to not use the spellpower weapon on a caster. It's just a bad idea.

The extra stamina is certainly not going to be worth the damage scaling, even if you are going for a tanky CC build.

 

[Snowjobs]

stacking stamina to an extreme was more prevalent in MOP because of the base damage components to spells . Prot warriors are a great example of this.
the damage formula for sheild slam was something like 400 + .1*ap (yeah thats a little bit exaggerated but you get the point) and basically the difference in damage of a sram stacked prot versus a str stacked prot warrior was like 40 on shield slam making it almost worthless to stack str and thus making stam a lot more appealing.

This was also the case with a few other moves affliction warlocks and demo were some of those classes with comparatively high base damage coefficients.

base damage was removed in WOD

But what does all that gobldee goop i just wrote mean.
All of your damage comes from your gear and racial thus making primary stats extremely powerful. thats also why stacking crit and haste is not as appealing right now.

umm just realized i completely went off track . over all . don't stack stam on a lock . most of the bis int pieces are also bis stam .
for gear go with

lfh
jc neck
jp loom shoulders
sorcerer cloak
jp chest
rfc bracers
wc gloves
sun satchel belt
silk threaded pants
corpse rompers
garoshes pardon
argas ring
trink
agm
jp staff.
thats almost bis damage and you still have very high stam. (IMO BIS)

 

[TheFupaKing]

Ok, can you explain a bit what can you do with 5k health in a bg? I wanna know if i'll still be able to pull some weight.

Demo locks make a good FC assist. Fear, Chaos Wave, Seduction.

For times when and if you are carrying the flag. Metamorphosis and Demonic Leap

It's like bear form for warlocks. It now increases armor by 250%. Spend your time building up fury, you know, dotting everyone up with Corruption and HoG.

Use Drain Life over Shadow Bolt as a filler, you gain 10 fury every second for 6 seconds with DL(60 Fury) vs 25 fury after a 2.5 cast time with SB. (50 Fury after 2 casts) Plus DL heals you.

The health is nothing more than the ability to live longer or live through tough situations and Metamorphosis enhances survivability.

Here I am fully buffed with 7020 health(with banner) and the difference in armor with Metamorphosis.

EDIT: Don't mind the dagger.....

 

[Allybeboba]

intentionally not using the spellpower weapon is plain wrong.

Here are some numbers for you...
Alive stamina stacked player DPS numbers when alive: something
Dead low health DPS player numbers when dead: zero...
You can't damage when your character is dead. It is a matter of what you want to accomplish and how you play. If you solo queue( like me), you need to stamina stack. If you don't like to die( again like me), stamina stack.
Now, if you have a partner or if you don't mind getting killed a lot then maybe a full spellpower setup is for you. There are many many variables. That is what makes twinking so great. There really is no true cookie cutter BiS. Only what is BiS for YOU.
/cheers

Sweetsidney

 

[Sabzep]

Here are some numbers for you...
Alive stamina stacked player DPS numbers when alive: something
Dead low health DPS player numbers when dead: zero...
You can't damage when your character is dead. It is a matter of what you want to accomplish and how you play. If you solo queue( like me), you need to stamina stack. If you don't like to die( again like me), stamina stack.
Now, if you have a partner or if you don't mind getting killed a lot then maybe a full spellpower setup is for you. There are many many variables. That is what makes twinking so great. There really is no true cookie cutter BiS. Only what is BiS for YOU.
/cheers

Sweetsidney

You are wrong. If you put any argument forward or would even try to grasp the concept of what we are talking about I would argue my case. You are so lost...

 

[LennywBT]

Wait a sec... demonology is qualifiedfor Fc....tfff lol....

 

[Allybeboba]

You are wrong. If you put any argument forward or would even try to grasp the concept of what we are talking about I would argue my case. You are so lost...

Explain to me which part is "wrong" The alive character doing damage or the dead character doing zero damage?
Simply because you do not agree with someone does not make them "wrong". It simply means their opinion differs from yours.
/cheers

Sweetsydney

 

[Sabzep]

Explain to me which part is "wrong" The alive character doing damage or the dead character doing zero damage?
Simply because you do not agree with someone does not make them "wrong". It simply means their opinion differs from yours.
/cheers

Sweetsydney

What are the chances, as a cloth damage dealer, that you survive a situation and recover with 2% more HP that you would not otherwise?

What are the chances that you can secure a kill with 60% more damage that you otherwise couldn't?

If you seriously debate stamina versus damage. Where do you draw the line to break even?

 

[Allybeboba]

What are the chances, as a cloth damage dealer, that you survive a situation and recover with 2% more HP that you would not otherwise?

What are the chances that you can secure a kill with 60% more damage that you otherwise couldn't?

If you seriously debate stamina versus damage. Where do you draw the line to break even?

Ahh.. my young padewan, lest you forget that as a warlock you have access to many abilities that grant you health back based on a percentage of your health. Not a base amount. Which means, the higher your health, the more you benefit from it.
That is what makes this game so much fun. Trying different combinations etc. As I have said many times before. Don't be a follower, be a leader. Don't settle for someone's cookie cutter, so-called, BiS item set. Make your own set, one that best suits YOU. Gearing up is half of the fun.
/cheers

Sweetsidney