28 Prot Warrior/Paladin

[Basement]

Hey all! I've been doing some thinking, and what with the bracket changes coming up in WoD, I was going to start making my 28/29 twink but I am unsure if a warrior or a paladin is better and would appreciate someone who's tried both on the PTR/knows about them well enough to steer me in the right direction. Also, would Horde or Alliance be a better option? Thanks in advance.

 

[Franchi]

If you are planning on Fcing druid is gonna be the best.

Otherwise its really a wait and see atm, expect massive nerfs and buffs for the first 3-5 months of the new expac.

It only takes about 4 hours ot make a 29 so you may as well make both TBH.

I can boost and enchant you on dragonmaw horde if you are interested.

 

[IllyBillyn]

Based on queue times in the 20-24 bracket I'd recommend horde to get faster games.

 

[Basement]

Based on queue times in the 20-24 bracket I'd recommend horde to get faster games.

Yeah, was thinking the same thing. I'm also concerned about faction specific quest gear, is there anything Horde/Ally side in terms of this bracket that are better for a mail wearer?

 

[raziel83]

Hey all! I've been doing some thinking, and what with the bracket changes coming up in WoD, I was going to start making my 28/29 twink but I am unsure if a warrior or a paladin is better and would appreciate someone who's tried both on the PTR/knows about them well enough to steer me in the right direction. Also, would Horde or Alliance be a better option? Thanks in advance.

I have both a lvl 28 prot war and prot pally on beta. Both geared / enchanted purely for damage. If you want a FC, as someone said above, go guardian druid or brewmaster.

Damage wise, prot pally is superior over a prot warrior.
Senst @ Mal'Ganis - Community - World of Warcraft
On beta with blessing of kings & elixir of minor defense he has;
547 attack power
394 bonus armor (total armor 645 @ 60.17% mitigation)

Crusader enchant hasn't been touched thus far. So with that 100 AP proc and getting these crits (tested on lvl 27 gnomerang elites);

1750 harsh word crits
1400 judgement
1750 avenger shield
2000 single target holy wrath

My prot war with similar stats is doing 1300 devastate crits and that's about it (shield slam got nerfed into oblivion. Hits for like 200). No holy damage and almost zero ranged damage.

Brewmaster is currently the best all-rounder tank for killing people. See my 2nd post here http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f13/come-test-29-twinks-stuff-right-now-61154/index7.html. Prot pal, war and guardian druid have zero chance of soloing thermaplug for example.

Guardian technically has the highest burst (I've been getting 7.3 k ferocious bites) but they basically zero healing. Rejuv ticks for like 60 and you have 5 k + health.

EDIT; Something really bad about prot paladins right now....my mana regen in combat is 13 mana per 5 seconds. That's it, no other mechanics available to restore mana. So once you OOM in combat, you basically stay OOM unless you mana pot. Not sure why they nerfed that but there you go. Outside of combat it goes back to 186 mp5.

It's actually really bad. I just got into combat, casted 5 flash of lights and OOM'd. I then couldn't cast avenger shield since it costs 46 mana...at 13 mp5 that's 20 seconds before I'd have enough mana to AS.

 

[Basement]

I have both a lvl 28 prot war and prot pally on beta. Both geared / enchanted purely for damage. If you want a FC, as someone said above, go guardian druid or brewmaster.

Damage wise, prot pally is superior.
Senst @ Mal'Ganis - Community - World of Warcraft
On beta with blessing of kings & elixir of minor defense he has;
547 attack power
394 bonus armor (total armor 645 @ 60.17% mitigation)

Crusader enchant hasn't been touched thus far. So with that 100 AP proc and getting these crits (tested on lvl 27 gnomerang elites);

1750 harsh word crits
1400 judgement
1750 avenger shield
2000 single target holy wrath

My prot war with similar stats is doing 1300 devastate crits and that's about it (shield slam got nerfed into oblivion. Hits for like 200). No holy damage and almost zero ranged damage.

See, I would go BM since I plan on stacking stam and what not, it's just I have the Burnished Helm enchanted with 14 stam, so if I were to make a FC i'd want it to be a class that can use it so I can get the stamina bonus out of my helm chant. Maybe i'll just make two sets. Also, are 24's going to be out of the picture? Are the brackets confirmed as 20-29? If so, i'll just level my hpal since he already has 2 AGM's. Thanks for the comments!

 

[raziel83]

See, I would go BM since I plan on stacking stam and what not, it's just I have the Burnished Helm enchanted with 14 stam, so if I were to make a FC i'd want it to be a class that can use it so I can get the stamina bonus out of my helm chant. Maybe i'll just make two sets. Also, are 24's going to be out of the picture? Are the brackets confirmed as 20-29? If so, i'll just level my hpal since he already has 2 AGM's. Thanks for the comments!

Yes 20-29 is confirmed. F2p's have already done skirmishes / BG's on PTR and they got scaled up to lvl 29.

Your +14 stam head enchant won't be +14 any more. Can you tell me the name of the enchant, I can link it in beta and see the new stats. For example Heavy borean armor kit is currently +14 stam on live but on beta it's +3.

 

[Basement]

Yes 20-29 is confirmed. F2p's have already done skirmishes / BG's on PTR and they got scaled up to lvl 29.

Your +14 stam head enchant won't be +14 any more. Can you tell me the name of the enchant, I can link it in beta and see the new stats. For example Heavy borean armor kit is currently +14 stam on live but on beta it's +3.

Then it would be plus 3 since it is an armor kit, but since stamina is buffed it's still a lot of health. Hmm, that does suck. Hopefully that gets fixed. So, warriors are a no-go in general then? Wouldn't spamming devastate make up for the meh slam damage? And would you just recommend a BM for the best all rounder in terms of doing damage, and FCing? How is BM damage? Even if I sat in a full stam/defensive set would I still be able to pump out a ton of damage? Sorry for the barrage of questions, but I'm just curious so I can decide what I'd like to play. OT: But, what are the best healers?

Edit: Saying the mana mechanics for paladins suck, not the bracket change.

 

[raziel83]

Then it would be plus 3 since it is an armor kit, but since stamina is buffed it's still a lot of health. Hmm, that does suck. Hopefully that gets fixed. So, warriors are a no-go in general then? Wouldn't spamming devastate make up for the meh slam damage? And would you just recommend a BM for the best all rounder in terms of doing damage, and FCing? How is BM damage? Even if I sat in a full stam/defensive set would I still be able to pump out a ton of damage? Sorry for the barrage of questions, but I'm just curious so I can decide what I'd like to play. OT: But, what are the best healers?

Edit: Saying the mana mechanics for paladins suck, not the bracket change.

+3 stam IS the fixed version.

You can only do big damage on a tank if you stack 300-390 bonus armor. And only IF that doesn't get nerfed. Could happen any day now. Stacking stam will only be good for FC'ing.

Yes warriors do fine spamming devastate, just that it's all physical damage and no burst.

BM is doing big damage atm. Read my 2ND post on this page http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f13/come-test-29-twinks-stuff-right-now-61154/index7.html

edit; No idea about pure healers sorry. Although brewmaster can more or less spam heals that crit for 1200. Seems OP to me.

 

[Basement]

+3 stam IS the fixed version.

You can only do big damage on a tank if you stack 300-390 bonus armor. And only IF that doesn't get nerfed. Could happen any day now. Stacking stam will only be good for FC'ing.

Yes warriors do fine spamming devastate, just that it's all physical damage and no burst.

BM is doing big damage atm. Read my 2ND post on this page http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f13/come-test-29-twinks-stuff-right-now-61154/index7.html

edit; No idea about pure healers sorry. Although brewmaster can more or less spam heals that crit for 1200. Seems OP to me.

Gotcha, so it's between a prot pally/bm monk/boomy for me in terms of damage.. out of those three, what would you personally recommend?

 

[raziel83]

Gotcha, so it's between a prot pally/bm monk/boomy for me in terms of damage.. out of those three, what would you personally recommend?

Depends on your play style and if anything else gets nerfed / adjusted.

Prot pally - The current mana situation is too frustrating, not worth it. 13mp5 in combat? Yeah no thanks.

BM - Amazing but if your going for damage, 100% relies on large amounts of bonus armor. Might be fixed before it goes live. No one knows

Boomy - Safe bet. Always going to be good. + If you noticed my 1st post in that other thread I mention 135% speed in boomkin form and 175% travelform due to speed chants being buffed (from 8% to 10%) and capable of stacking (ab boots + boar's speed for +20% total). Do you like Alterac valley?

 

[Basement]

Depends on your play style and if anything else gets nerfed / adjusted.

Prot pally - The current mana situation is too frustrating, not worth it. 13mp5 in combat? Yeah no thanks.

BM - Amazing but if your going for damage, 100% relies on large amounts of bonus armor. Might be fixed before it goes live. No one knows

Boomy - Safe bet. Always going to be good. + If you noticed my 1st post in that other thread I mention 135% speed in boomkin form and 175% travelform due to speed chants being buffed (from 8% to 10%) and capable of stacking (ab boots + boar's speed for +20% total). Do you like Alterac valley?

Looks like i'll be doing a boomy then, and yes I do like AV. Another note, which healer class is the best currently on the PTR?

 

[Shaket]

Has anyone had a chance to try out arms &/or fury on ptr?