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    Bilfred said:
    They had more hp than me, then again I was in a glasscannon set. Seems like they are scaling pretty damn well, an enchanted 20 may be pretty viable.
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    I don't see how an enchanted 20 would make it much more viable unless it's a p2p. Although I could see the armor kits benefitting certain tank classes a lot.
     
    Roboartist said:
    Although I could see the armor kits benefitting certain tank classes a lot.
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    I thought I read that tank classes got AP from armor on gear but no bonus AP from armor enchants... of course that could always change.
     
    Allybeboba said:
    You have that all wrong, trials play with a disadvantage.
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    So just to be clear (this coming from someone who plays P2Ps with all of the trimmings), Please explain this logic to me. I have a P2P and an F2P. I choose to play my P2P in this bracket; on my F2P I have no choice. How exactly is it that you think trials are the one with agency here? If you're going to tell me to pay 15 dollars on my trial, I'll remind you that.. well ..I do. So please, enlighten me on what convoluted logic bomb of a viewpoint led to that statement - because I always assumed most 24s knew they were being scumbags (I know) and just didn't care (I don't).

    On topic - the 2200 enchants all seem to be scaling very well and more importantly, we still don't know how scaling will work at lvl 20! And seriously, I still think anyone who is fully BiS enchanted is going to have a significant advantage no matter what.

    If anything, this is a good thing only because shitty P2Ps are going to be unable to get carried by buying whatever cheap enchant they could and so non BiS P2Ps (which are like 90% of P2Ps) are gonna be pretty useless. I'm basing this on all the P2Ps I see without good enchants on their weapons, proper armor kits or hell ... even gear.

    So overall, I bet BGs get a lot better, but the good 24s are still just as OP (just like a hunter nerf on pet damage would nerf shitty hunters and probably not really affect good ones).
     
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    Rollop said:
    I really enjoyed melting your 4k hp punching bag of a shaman the other day.



    Was Crusader nerfed? If so, to what?
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    You see, I have to stack stamina as a heal. Because in the bracket heals get tunnel focused by many members of the opposite team. My thought on the matter is, the more DPS I can hold on me, the less DPS is on my FC( that is why I do not FC), or in the case of Arathi Basin trying to cap a flag. This strategy works. I have had entire teams of DPS chase me 1/2 way across the map while our FC just waltzed right on through mid or a fellow team capped the AB flag they just left. Sure I died, who cares, I will just rezz in a few seconds.
    As far as crusader goes, I am not sure. That is a strength enchant. I am a lover, not a fighter. I heal trials players, I do not kill them.
    /cheers

    Sweetsidney
     
    allybeboba said:
    you see, i have to stack stamina as a heal. Because in the bracket heals get tunnel focused by many members of the opposite team. My thought on the matter is, the more dps i can hold on me, the less dps is on my fc( that is why i do not fc), or in the case of arathi basin trying to cap a flag. This strategy works. I have had entire teams of dps chase me 1/2 way across the map while our fc just waltzed right on through mid or a fellow team capped the ab flag they just left. Sure i died, who cares, i will just rezz in a few seconds.
    As far as crusader goes, i am not sure. That is a strength enchant. I am a lover, not a fighter. I heal trials players, i do not kill them.
    /cheers



    Sweetsidney
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    looooool

    bull shit. I've had to carry you in so many games that i'm going to call you out. You sit there in mid and run into the other team. Then just spam heal yourself and link "damage taken" from a player vs environment mod [Seriously, guys, he links not damage, not healing, but DAMAGE TAKEN from RECOUNT or SKADA which are for RAIDS AND DUNGEONS and have a RANGE LIMIT] to show "the other team is attacking the best player. Never fails" (that's a direct quote). What actually happens in these games is some of us play our asses off trying to get a flag across with no healer while our healer sits there in mid tanking 2 of the shittiest jaja hunters for 15 minutes while pretending like the shitty players that stop are somehow the essential players on their team.

    Stop deluding yourself. I would rather have literally anyone else in this game in my bg including duo (hey at least he wins and doesn't get solo'd by f2p prot paladins), any jaja (at least their bg chat isn't lowering my iq by the second) and inoobupro (i'd rather entertain myself reading his drivel knowing he doesn't believe it and is just trying to troll then try to figure out what mental gymnastics go into Ally's limited thought processes)

    In fact, the game Rollop is talking about was one I was in. Rollop, in case you were wondering, 6 people on our team were raging at Sidney for most of the BG due to his a) trash playing b) trash talking and c) what I assume is a heavily drug addled mind. Ill see if I took a SS or something. If I remember correctly two jaja prot paladins or something were outhealing Sidney so I SS'd it.

    Edit: Crusader was "nerfed" but is still the strongest enchant in the bracket on PTR for WoD.

    15 strenght/agi - 5 str/agi
    15 Healing bracer, gloves - 5
    Surefooted - 3 haste 3 crit
    Glove reinforcements - 9 stam
    Mending - healed 127
    30 spellpower - 11 spellpower
    Crusader remains unchanged (yay, vanilla enchants should be BiS imo)
    Hurricane Weapon - 19 Haste
    Black magic - 29 haste
    Fiery Weapon, unchanged - 40 dmg
    Elemental Force - 116, 218crit (lame..fuck EF, this needs a serious nerf, bring back Fiery weapon)
    Mongoose - 33 agi 8 haste
    Blood Draining - Restores 46hp, stacks 5 times. ~230 heal, only under 35% hp.
    Berserking weapon - 75 ap
    Greater stats (4) - 3
    Cloak Stealth - 3 agi 3 dodge
    Executioner - 90 crit
    Major health chest - 36 hp
    Greater crititcal strike cloak - 3 crit
    Bracer crit - 2
    Boots, gloves, bracer haste - 2
    PvP cloak scroll says 12 pvp power, but my enchanted cloak tooltip says 5 pvpower
    Greater striking weapon - 2
    Greater assault bracer - 3 ap
    Spirit of Conquest - 62 intellect
    Bloody Dancing Steel - 18 strength/agi
    Glorius Tyranny - 7 Pvp power & disarm reduction
    Lifestealing, unchanged - heals 30
    Unholy Weapon - Physical dmg done reduced by 15
    Colossus enchant - absorbs 84 damage
    Enchant chest (major?) mana - 17 mana(but gives 85 mana)
    Boar's speed boots - minor speed + 2 stam
    Blurred speed - minor speed + 2 agi
    Dexterity boots - 3 agi
    15 agi gloves - 5 agi
    Heavy Borean Armor Kit - 2 stam
    Major stamina shield - 5 stam
    Major stamina bracer - 5 stam
    Major stamina cloak - 3 stam
    Scorched leg armor - 5 ap 6 crit
    Scryer shoulder enchant - 2ap 1 crit
    Drakehide leg armor - 6 stam 2 dodge
    Charscale leg armor - 6 stam 2 agi
    Heartseeker Scope - 11 crit
    Gnomish X-ray Scope - 150 ap

    AGM trinket 11 stam down from 12 but absorbs 903 damage
    Lucky Fishing Hat, unchanged. (LFH gives 285 hp at 19)
    Furbolg Pouch unchanged, offhand enchant 2 int
     
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    It is quite possible that many of the pre-tBC enchants may be better for some classes/specs post 6.0x. From what I have seen, on the PTR, even +16 armor has been reduced drastically.
    /cheers

    Sweetsidney
     
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    Someone mentioned resistance enchants in another thread. Even the grandfathered resist enchants have been lowered as well as the grandfathered head enchants. That is another thing to look forward to in 6.0x.
    /cheers

    Sweetsidney
     
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    I wonder what kind of attitude y'all will have when you join the pre-existing 29 bracket.
     
    Allybeboba said:
    You see, I have to stack stamina as a heal. Because in the bracket heals get tunnel focused by many members of the opposite team. My thought on the matter is, the more DPS I can hold on me, the less DPS is on my FC( that is why I do not FC), or in the case of Arathi Basin trying to cap a flag. This strategy works. I have had entire teams of DPS chase me 1/2 way across the map while our FC just waltzed right on through mid or a fellow team capped the AB flag they just left. Sure I died, who cares, I will just rezz in a few seconds.
    As far as crusader goes, I am not sure. That is a strength enchant. I am a lover, not a fighter. I heal trials players, I do not kill them.
    /cheers

    Sweetsidney
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    Please tell me you're trolling. If not are these the type educational posts you anti troll crusaders are going to leave as your legacy?

    Zehj said:
    hi there

    Puddleduck @ Darkmoon Faire - Community - World of Warcraft
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    Should we link you our trials now? Looks a fun game.
     
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