LF 29 BiS Prot Warrior or Paladin

Pattern

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Need a gear structure to then run tests against for WoD. Would prefer ones without that many GF'd items, I can and will hunt down the BiS non GF'd replacements, but it will be a time sink and will deter me from running the numbers that I want to run.

If they are in a stam set, say so, if they are in some kind of specific set (crit build, haste build) for whatever reason also mention that. Im looking for a build as close to generic prot-dps BiS as I can get.

All the Best,
Pattern
 
People don't run Prot DPS @ 29 because getting crit for 2/3 of your HP on a Shield Slam makes people quit playing. Generally when we play, we don't even use prots to FC because of how much damage Prot does even in tank gear. I can tell you right now that your dmg will be over the top, without you having to go through the effort of making a 29 yourself.

Guttedclass @ Skywall - Community - World of Warcraft - Bracers and shield are grandfathered, alternatives are available.

The rest of the armories in the 29s section are not returning any data because the characters have been inactive too long.
 
willix said:
People don't run Prot DPS @ 29 because getting crit for 2/3 of your HP on a Shield Slam makes people quit playing. Generally when we play, we don't even use prots to FC because of how much damage Prot does even in tank gear. I can tell you right now that your dmg will be over the top, without you having to go through the effort of making a 29 yourself.

Guttedclass @ Skywall - Community - World of Warcraft - Bracers and shield are grandfathered, alternatives are available.
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Thank you for the link, Im less interested in making one myself as much as just getting a base idea of what the numbers will be with the new BiS Bonus armor set that Ive mined and created and if that gear itself is even that much of an advantage over the previous BiS for the bracket.
 
willix said:
BiS Bonus armor? Care to link what you're talking about?
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Here you go. These are the pieces that I found will be overall BiS for Prot mail/plate classes (Pally and Warrior).

29:
Chest: Double Link Tunic - Item - World of Warcraft Provides 24 bonus armor which as of WoD equates to 24 attack power, with the new nerf on base stats (str agi int) 24 atk power is directly equivalent to 24 str so the chest will provide 24 str, as well as extra DR and the dodge will either be turned into more bonus armor or into random base/secondary stats.

Shield: Shield of Thorsen - Item - World of Warcraft : This item IS NOT RIGHT ON WOWHEAD, in-game and in warlords it will provide even MORE bonus armor and base armor to shield, it ingame is shown as I think 945, ill check and edit when I get home. Shield gives 20 bonus armor on Wowhead, and even more in game, so even at wowhead standards thats +20 str, making it far far far BiS.

Bracers: Green Iron Bracers - Item - World of Warcraft Provides 16 bonus armor making the sum total a 16 atk power 5 stam bracer with the extra DR bonus that all Bonus armor carries with it.

Head: Chef's Hat - Item - World of Warcraft A personal favorite, 40 bonus armor, which means 40 attack power, thats huge, and far in the lead for BiS damage wise, for Fc'ing and tanking, it provides something along the lines of 12.7% total DR which is better than LFH's surv boost overall (Talked about with real numbers by Hashbrowns in the 29 warrior discussion thread)

Those are the ones for 29's, Ive also made a 39 set, which granted actually has a lot more gear with bonus armor the set is far larger forward gap from current BiS in 39s, much bigger than the advantage people who max out with this will find in 29s.
 
You do realize that protection specs will take 25% more damage in PvP combat come WoD, correct? The prepatch is due in a few weeks.
Just food for thought.
/cheers

Sweetsydney
 
Allybeboba said:
You do realize that protection specs will take 25% more damage in PvP combat come WoD, correct? The prepatch is due in a few weeks.
Just food for thought.
/cheers

Sweetsydney
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Perfect Blizzard logic, let's not reduce the damage DEALT by PROTECTION spec, which is currently stupidly high for a Protection spec, lets increase the DAMAGE TAKEN... ( i guess the theory is that all of a sudden protection warriors are less able to protect themselves?)

Oh Blizzard, you never cease to defy real logic in your class balancing...
 
Allybeboba said:
You do realize that protection specs will take 25% more damage in PvP combat come WoD, correct?
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I do realize that, but It will be irrelevant. The extra DR bonus from all this Bonus armor gear is 34.78%. That not only fully negates the 25% damage taken debuff (As long as the damage is physical) but serves to make you even more damage resistant, which is completely broken.

The downside here is yes, these tanks are gonna be taking a noticeable amount more from casters and the like. But when focusing on a glasscannon like prot build, that really makes no difference to the overpowered factor of the spec.

The real worry here is the damage bonus prots will now acquire through BA slotted gear, which will just serve as to add on to the already overpowered burst damage of these specs in this bracket.

Like Willix already stated, in premades at this bracket currently Prot's only seem to harm the bracket and its premading more than it helps it, and with what im seeing with raw DR numbers and pure AP bonus, Im convinced that without the revamping of bladed armor for lower levels there will be no real fair/allowed competitive spot in the bracket for Prot pallies or warriors come WoD.

Pattern

Edit: And on a side note what you brought up will also finally cement resto druids as the real FC kings, due to the fact that they wont have to deal with that debuff
 
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Shaket said:
Perfect Blizzard logic, let's not reduce the damage DEALT by PROTECTION spec, which is currently stupidly high for a Protection spec, lets increase the DAMAGE TAKEN... ( i guess the theory is that all of a sudden protection warriors are less able to protect themselves?)

Oh Blizzard, you never cease to defy real logic in your class balancing...
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Blizzard's logic is that Protection specced classes have 1million health and many CC abilities, self heals and defensive CDs and are very difficult to take down.It is nearly impossible to kill them.
/cheers

Sweetsydney
 
Allybeboba said:
Blizzard's logic is that Protection specced classes have 1million health and many CC abilities, self heals and defensive CDs and are very difficult to take down.It is nearly impossible to kill them.
/cheers

Sweetsydney
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Yes, they should be very difficult to take down, they are a protection spec.
 
Allybeboba said:
Difficult, yes.. Nearly impossible, no... Thus the 25% debuff in PvP.
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Absolutely, but at the same time they will be getting so much DR I dont see this as a problem at all vs. Physical damage.
This might just end up being the year of the caster which I dont really have a problem with haha as much as I just see all of this bonus armor and added armor from chants and armor kits being so much DR as to the point of ridicule.
 
Armor values on gear will be significantly decreased.

Heads up before you spend a bunch of time acquiring these armor items only to find out it's not worth it.
 
willix said:
People don't run Prot DPS @ 29 because getting crit for 2/3 of your HP on a Shield Slam makes people quit playing. Generally when we play, we don't even use prots to FC because of how much damage Prot does even in tank gear. .
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is this feeling the same for prot pallies? I was dusting off my old pally and was hoping to play him in wod.
 
is this feeling the same for prot pallies? I was dusting off my old pally and was hoping to play him in wod.
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Prot paladins are annoying against casters/healers with their ranged silence and enormous health pool, but they aren't OP like prot warriors. Avenger's Shield only crits for like 800-1000, while Shield slam will hit for that much non crit. Also, from what I understand, these numbers should be changing in WoD, making prot specs less bursty at lower levels.

Don't be afraid to try out those specs in 6.0.
 
willix said:
Prot paladins are annoying against casters/healers with their ranged silence and enormous health pool, but they aren't OP like prot warriors. Avenger's Shield only crits for like 800-1000, while Shield slam will hit for that much non crit. Also, from what I understand, these numbers should be changing in WoD, making prot specs less bursty at lower levels.

Don't be afraid to try out those specs in 6.0.
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thx oneeye ;-)
 
unless you are naked you should do noncrit 800-1k with avenger's. the main difference here is that deverstate has no cd compared to pallys spam, and shield slam in on 6sec cd, compared to 15
 
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