when SQUISH rolls making 70 twinks will be easy

[shanker]

appears SQUISH is revealing now what gear may be crunched down to in WOD and it will turn 70 bracket upside down, literally. building a 70 twink will be easy, with alot more gear options since BC endgame items aren't really gamebreaking if you don't have them, cause many aren't even BIS anymore when patch 6.0 rolls. no more having to wait for weekly SWP/BT resets

some interesting crunches makes some BC starter and vendor epics really good

Hammer of Sanctification - Item - World of Warcraft from SWP vs a mace from 5-man H-MGT Cudgel of Consecration - Item - World of Warcraft

Crux of the Apocalypse - Item - World of Warcraft once BIS is rather hard nerfed and will have you wishing you kept Umbral Shiv - Item - World of Warcraft

Sunflare - Item - World of Warcraft once BIS caster dagger now makes what has been a novelty tmog BIS Talon of the Tempest - Item - World of Warcraft

damage wise this may be third best bow now Golden Bow of Quel'Thalas - Item - World of Warcraft but another case of where you wished you saved Ancient Amani Longbow - Item - World of Warcraft, as for the legendary Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury - Item - World of Warcraft good stats, but OUCH!

Wastewalker Gloves - Item - World of Warcraft some BC blues are close or better in some stats than lot of BC epics
Grips of Damnation - Item - World of Warcraft
Liar's Tongue Gloves - Item - World of Warcraft
Gloves of the Forest Drifter - Item - World of Warcraft

PVP gear is messed up in that S2 gear and weapons in most instances is better than S4 and S3 gear now
Merciless Gladiator's Slicer - Item - World of Warcraft
Brutal Gladiator's Slicer - Item - World of Warcraft
Vengeful Gladiator's Slicer - Item - World of Warcraft
to boot they are on par or barely out do a Latro's Dancing Blade - Item - World of Warcraft

Hard Khorium Band - Item - World of Warcraft SWP hard recipe drop and mat extensinve vs a KARA drop Garona's Signet Ring - Item - World of Warcraft or lower city exalted Shapeshifter's Signet - Item - World of Warcraft

also appears SQISH has hit enchants now, i won't go into all of it except one example

Enchant Gloves - Major Agility - Spell - World of Warcraft

Enchant Gloves - Major Agility - Spell - World of Warcraft now is 8 agi from level 1 to 61 and it stays at 10 agi all the way to level 100.

 

[Nomi]

Interesting, though I doubt this will really motivate people to make 70 twinks. Pretty much every bracket other than 20-24 is greatly underpopulated.

70 is however one of the more populated brackets~

I'm interested in how far bosses will be pushed down - with swp gear being almost the same as kara gear, all 25 man bosses should be tuned down to more or less the same power...?

 

[artonkn]

Alpha is alpha

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[artonkn]

And it exists for a reason..

To test shit.

If the results of a test aren't what they desire, then they change stuff.

The idea of the item squish is to reduce the level and make big numbers smaller. These items may be what they want, it may not, but all these items have been done automatically and have a large possibility of being tweaked.

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[LanvinDarksorrow]

Why would they make a 164ilvl worse than a 120? won't go live.

 

[Eriwen]

Even live wowhead is fucked, can't trust any stats atm

 

[Aelobin]

We'll need to wait until the gems are properly squished to be able to compare some items.

Why would they make a 164ilvl worse than a 120? won't go live.

They said they're removing the jumps between expansions caused by old tiers, so most of the gear will be roughly the same stats. I agree that a 120 being better than a 164 seems weird but even if they did fix it, there wouldn't be much difference anyway.

 

[shanker]

Interesting, though I doubt this will really motivate people to make 70 twinks. Pretty much every bracket other than 20-24 is greatly underpopulated.

70's and 85's BGs roll 7 days a week, but not 24/7 like 20-24 bracket, those 3 brackets are now the only active brackets left

i have run into numerous 70's who don't BG or arena and are still farming gear trying to get BIS. the RNG horror stories on drops is rather severe
- one DK complained that in 10 SWP runs and countless uncompleted runs, he got the legendary bow and still hasn't gotten 3 key items he needs
- ran into 2 caster druids trying to get SWP mace and or staves
- tons of rogues still needing SWP items
- alot of hunters, paladins, ele shams and priests in limbo, most complaining about getting runs

hang outside ORG or SW/goldshire you will see alot of i70's that are in limbo and BIS incomplete

motivate....yes, people will become more interested when they realize it may not take 2-3 months plus worth of runs, and when other items just as good are available. like this item right now is a plate wearers current BIS and anything less is rather subpar but in WOD, u get near equal gear and more RNG chances to get it

Borderland Paingrips - Item - World of Warcraft current BIS not counting a hard to get crafted set

new options
Grips of Silent Justice - Item - World of Warcraft
Furious Deathgrips - Item - World of Warcraft vendor
Gauntlets of Martial Perfection - Item - World of Warcraft
Faith Bearer's Gauntlets - Item - World of Warcraft a blue item
and possibly more options on 2 slot gloves once they reveal what dodge is getting converted to

alot of this gear gear can be self farmed or self bought, plus getting a 90 to run you thru a 2-boss fight gruul's lair is much easier than getting them to go to SWP, or want to take the time in BT, Hyjal etc.

 

[shanker]

Why would they make a 164ilvl worse than a 120? won't go live.

they did this on gear in lower brackets when CATA rolled, alot of gear was wiped from BIS viable and made subpar. there was a squish then but the term hadn't been coined yet. they also adjusted greens that once has 3 stat and 3 stam to 2/2, some that were 2/2 were adjusted to 1/1

there was a ton of QQ but only on one item ...shadowfang...it was rebuffed and over buffed, rest of bows swords and daggers where nerfed to level 15/16 items and no longer competitve with BOAs

 

[Splosion]

they did this on gear in lower brackets when CATA rolled, alot of gear was wiped from BIS viable and made subpar. there was a squish then but the term hadn't been coined yet.

What happened with cata was not a squish, just a re-working of the ilevel equation to give virtually equal stam per ilevel. The squish is a flattening of the ilevel curve, which will have more effect the higher level your twink happens to be.

 

[strec021]

one thing that stems from this that also might help motivate people to the bracket is the concept that all spells will scale from pure ap/sp/armor, so you could potentially wear rather outdated gear, such as a level 60 set, and actually run bc heroics as 'heroics' again.

 

[Zitalin]

I honestly don't mind this, but that may just be because i enjoy as much challenge in the PvE aspect of the bracket as possible c:
ICC wouldn't be possible any longer though :/

 

[Splosion]

Who says? DPS would be basically the only thing. If anything, 70s and 80s would be closer together, which would make it easier.

 

[Stale]

Your face when I kept all my Zul'Aman weapons (including Umbral Shiv and the Bow):

D:

But yeah, as said, nothing final yet. I personally won't be against my items being stronger than everyone else's, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Chicagox]

Good thing that I slapped a rep or pvp head enchant on absolutely every vanilla/bc tier or jp/instance helmet I've ever obtained.

 

[Zitalin]

Who says? DPS would be basically the only thing. If anything, 70s and 80s would be closer together, which would make it easier.

We're not sure if the raids will be nerfed as well, are we? o:
To be honest, i do not see the point in nerfing old content any way, if it wasn't to make it all harder

 

[shanker]

Good thing that I slapped a rep or pvp head enchant on absolutely every vanilla/bc tier or jp/instance helmet I've ever obtained.

i missed that chance because i took blizzard for their word when they said head enchants would be removed. with them now saying meta gems are gone in WOD along with lack of clarification, i have been throwing metas in various helms my players may end up wearing

 

[Nomi]

Your face when I kept all my Zul'Aman weapons (including Umbral Shiv and the Bow):

D:

My mouth just became a white letter.

Who says? DPS would be basically the only thing. If anything, 70s and 80s would be closer together, which would make it easier.

Hit will be the problem I guess?

 

[Splosion]

Hit will be the problem I guess?

Hit would indeed be the only problem, but only in terms of DPS.

Regarding ZA weapons, That .6 dps is probably not worth all that much, and likely lost in the sea of RNG, not to mention the bow/dagger are only good for two classes.

 

[Stale]

Considering there is no info about how hard to hit higher level mobs might be, there's not much to go on to say wether ot not hit will be a problem. If it's only 5%, mweh, we'll live. once it gets above 20% it might cause some problems, though on the other hand we also don't know how much DPS we are going to end up with and how much DPS will be required.

Will be fun to regear and re-enchant everything again though. Will have to spend a lot of time looking up items again, who knows what crappy thing might suddenly be 10x better!