Whatgoesup
Lost in Gnomer
And where are the calculations that prove your point?
And where are the calculations that prove your point?
Durr
Legend
i tried "idiot" and it took me right to your profile, cheers mate.
woah please refrain from using profanities on these forums, I would appreciate if you could keep this thread clean or else it might get locked by moderators
Durr
Legend
holy hell do you want me to spell it out for you all? the point he is making is obvious for dalrends and claw>blackvenom has already been discussed.....you are not the sharpest tool in the shed
Whatgoesup
Lost in Gnomer
I read that entire thread and there are no calculations to be found, only he telling us that he is BiS and that we should copy him. Or is that the proof you were talking about? But perhaps I'm just blind, could you quote it for me? I'd appreciate it
Mesikämmen
pwner
First thing I read from the post you linked:
Agi doesn't give higher poison ticks?
You were talking about calculations? All I could see was posts like this:
Hardly any calculations here....
Guess I should have known it, 'Curley' and 'calculations' in the same sentence...
Discussed, yes. But we were talking about actual calculations and proof here. One guy who says "copy me im best world cyax copy my gear im best", and that's supposed to be sufficient proof?
Agi doesn't give higher poison ticks?
You were talking about calculations? All I could see was posts like this:
Hardly any calculations here....
Guess I should have known it, 'Curley' and 'calculations' in the same sentence...
Discussed, yes. But we were talking about actual calculations and proof here. One guy who says "copy me im best world cyax copy my gear im best", and that's supposed to be sufficient proof?
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Durr
Legend
ok clearly you are trying to prove a point and have some issues you have carried over from the 19 bracket, you're trying to make a name for yourself and it isn't working
the fact that you cant recognize the evidently apparent points hes trying to make and need arithmetic proof to highlight this shows your lack of understanding. I probably should've said proof rather than calculations, but seriously if you cant understand this you're lost
the fact that you cant recognize the evidently apparent points hes trying to make and need arithmetic proof to highlight this shows your lack of understanding. I probably should've said proof rather than calculations, but seriously if you cant understand this you're lost
Mesikämmen
pwner
Now you're going back to ad hominems. 19s doesn't have anything to do with this and I have no idea why you and Dorigon are trying to drag it to the conversation, as it has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic.
As you are not able to provide ANY kind of sufficient proof, one has no reason to believe what you're stating holds true.
"Curley said copy his gear, so its bis" is still not sufficient proof.
Swoops
Legend
I don't think anyone has argued for Blackvenom Blade as a BiS mainhand option. Your offhand weapon has a 50% penalty and doesn't contribute to the damage of most special attacks, so stats become more important than weapon damage.
BVB in your OH increases all your damage (ambush, eviscerate, MH attacks, etc)
Bangalash's Claw in your OH increases your OH white hits.
Based on how most weapons scale, BVB likely ends up at about the same damage on a 21 as Bangalash's Claw on a 24...that with a scaled Outlaw Sabre would be pretty sexy.
BVB in your OH increases all your damage (ambush, eviscerate, MH attacks, etc)
Bangalash's Claw in your OH increases your OH white hits.
Based on how most weapons scale, BVB likely ends up at about the same damage on a 21 as Bangalash's Claw on a 24...that with a scaled Outlaw Sabre would be pretty sexy.
Durr
Legend
That's not what I said - you can clearly see the points he's trying to make, here let me explain:
Blackvenom Blade must be ruled out due to it breaking saps and gouges which is GAMEBREAKING
Thus for MH it is either Outlaw Sabre or Dal'Rends; Dal'Rends gives more crit (1.4%) and more top-end damage compared to 7AP. (Note: No daggers here as daggers do not equal higher ambushes due to the concurrent white hit that results) Hence BoA Dal'Rends is the 24 rogues MH weapon of choice!
For OH: Again Blackvenom Blade is out of the equation (if you care to dispute this then you have absolutely no clue). Doing a simple analysis of viable off-hand weapons, Bangalash's Claw comes out on top.
The need for mathematical calculations is really unnecessary, simple comprehension is needed. The 19 thing was a joke, don't get too caught up on it
Mesikämmen
pwner
That's not what I said - you can clearly see the points he's trying to make, here let me explain:
Blackvenom Blade must be ruled out due to it breaking saps and gouges which is GAMEBREAKING
Thus for MH it is either Outlaw Sabre or Dal'Rends; Dal'Rends gives more crit (1.4%) and more top-end damage compared to 7AP. (Note: No daggers here as daggers do not equal higher ambushes due to the concurrent white hit that results) Hence BoA Dal'Rends is the 24 rogues MH weapon of choice!
For OH: Again Blackvenom Blade is out of the equation (if you care to dispute this then you have absolutely no clue). Doing a simple analysis of viable off-hand weapons, Bangalash's Claw comes out on top.
The need for mathematical calculations is really unnecessary, simple comprehension is needed. The 19 thing was a joke, don't get too caught up on it
Thanks, that actually makes more sense than every earlier post from you/dori in this thread combined.
I do not know the procrate on this weapon but deadly, hemo or both are up on your target 99% of the time, so why is this blackvenom proc such a big deal?
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Whatgoesup
Lost in Gnomer
How can it break Sap, honestly, tell me. If you Sap, you do not apply your posions. Also, it might break Gouge, but you also have Deadly Posion on your weapon, and that also breaks Sap. And you apply Deadly Posion much more often than the DoT from BVB.
Honey Badger
OG
Honeybadger - Outlaw Sabre / Blackvenom blade
Damage - 167-199
Dps - 67.8/ 33.1
Attack power - 662
Hit - 3.66%
Agility - 287
Dodge - 51.90%
Crit - 40.06%
Honeybadger - Venerable Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge / Bangalash's Claw
Damage - 168-199
Dps - 65.6 / 32.3
Attack power - 647
Hit - 4.47%
Agility - 287
Dodge - 51.90%
Crit - 40.76%
Honeybadger - Venerable Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge / Blackvenom blade
Damage - 170-201
Dps - 66.2 / 32.9
Attack power - 655
Hit - 3.66%
Agility - 291
Dodge - 52.36%
Crit - 41.18%
There you go
BTW still waiting on a rogue that has better stats than me
/Taps fingers & sighs
* Currently on my armory stat show * July 13 2013-
Damage - 173-204
Dps - 67.2 / 33.3
AP - 669
Hit - 5.28
Dodge - 53.17%
Crit - 39.12
Which only show i bury my stats from the past & im changing my 2nd profession so stats subject to get better.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/alexstrasza/Høneybadger/advanced
This was done jan 7 , 2013 . and im still waiting for someone to show me a rogue with better all around stats. BVB has a chance to proc you out of stealth in theory. i have NEVER & i mean NEVER proc out of stealth ever while gouging or sapping.
I am to Blame for the BVB.
(been using since days of EPIC & Extended trial).i'll bump my old armory in rate my rogue post and link armory
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Whatgoesup
Lost in Gnomer
Originally Posted by Honey badger
Honeybadger - Outlaw Sabre / Blackvenom blade
Damage - 167-199
Dps - 67.8/ 33.1
Attack power - 662
Hit - 3.66%
Agility - 287
Dodge - 51.90%
Crit - 40.06%
Honeybadger - Venerable Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge / Bangalash's Claw
Damage - 168-199
Dps - 65.6 / 32.3
Attack power - 647
Hit - 4.47%
Agility - 287
Dodge - 51.90%
Crit - 40.76%
Honeybadger - Venerable Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge / Blackvenom blade
Damage - 170-201
Dps - 66.2 / 32.9
Attack power - 655
Hit - 3.66%
Agility - 291
Dodge - 52.36%
Crit - 41.18%
There you go
BTW still waiting on a rogue that has better stats than me
/Taps fingers & sighs
This was done jan 7 , 2013 . and im still waiting for someone to show me a rogue with better all around stats. BVB has a chance to proc you out of stealth in theory. i have NEVER & i mean NEVER proc out of stealth ever while gouging or sapping.
I am to Blame for the BVB.
I appreciate the stats, thanks man
I guess I'll go to DMF quickly and get the sword. And yeah, I too have never, ever been proc'd out of stealth.
Honey Badger
OG
i hope it helps. i linked my armory i know a few message me for it. also i have the enchanted helm not wearing since stats wont add up yet until patch. ill update when i get new profession and helm stats next patch.
Arcanum of vicious agility - stats 60 agility and 35 resilence - scaling to 9 agility & 5 resilence.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/alexstrasza/Høneybadger/advanced
Arcanum of vicious agility - stats 60 agility and 35 resilence - scaling to 9 agility & 5 resilence.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/alexstrasza/Høneybadger/advanced
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The Saint
I won't like you
i don't think idiot is a profanity. i'll have to look it up though, brb...
Durr
Legend
wow you play a rogue with bvb, if you don't understand how then ur lost
Whatgoesup
Lost in Gnomer
Good comeback, anyways, I feel like my time is wasted here as you're not willing to have a serious discussion. Feel free to PM me if you feel like making any other idiotic statements.
