patch 5.3 gear scaling killed 74 twinks, 70 gear is killer at 75 btw

[shanker]

i'm not twinking at 74, i have a DK with full S4 when going into leveling BGs at 70-71 my gear was item level 178/9 and i had 22K+ hp

today doing my BG leveling, my player hit 74 at the end of a BG. next BG i went into was SOTA. for some reason my 74 seemed weak, doing less damage on players and demos. i look at my player coming off a GY and notice i lost over 2000+ hp before buffs. i view my character and all my gear is showing item level 155/159. i had less stram than when i was a 70 and the extra abilities at 74 aren't making up for much. going thru the BGs at 74 was not fun, but i made it and did pet battles the whole level

75 was a surprize, i go into a BG thinking i might be too weak due to outdated 70 gear and was amazed, my gear item level 275/280, and had 40k+ hp. the damage i was doing was rather insane. some of the players on my team where complaining about 75s in BG chat

not sure about other brackets, it may not pay to be the high level in a bracket.

with patch 5.4 with the scaling and gems, for a twink as of now using live and PTR, it may be best to be 71-73 in the 70-74 bracket, however that is still a ways off

 

[Valencia]

If I recollect, the purpose of capping 74 with a DK is for the frost passive + nifflevar axes.

Honestly don't see the issue, considering -everyone- scales to 74 in a battleground, thus everyone's stats are of a 74. ( Reason why secondaries sink to begin with. ) The gear scaling isn't very noticeable in our bracket, especially since people tend to buy brutal right off the bat ( 159 ilevel )

Tried a battleground earlier with a 74 in group, me being 72, we'd be able to see any difference once we joined the instance. Nothing of course, my secondaries sunk to bracket cap, his didn't since it was already to the scaling's specifications. There's no advantage a 70-73 has over a 74 besides in world pvp / pve.

with patch 5.4 with the scaling and gems, for a twink as of now using live and PTR, it may be best to be 71-73 in the 70-74 bracket, however that is still a ways off

How so? The moment you pass 71 outside of BG instance, your gems / enchants will scale up to Wrath; since BGs grant 'boost' to 74. Lets say that's not the case, even then the BC gems / enchants would scale up to 74.

PS: Primaries don't scale, unlike secondary stats.

 

[Faller]

Rofl. Ya I got nerfed so much. I can only kill 30k prots through 3 healers now instead of 4+
tl;dr I can global anything

 

[shanker]

If I recollect, the purpose of capping 74 with a DK is for the frost passive + nifflevar axes.

- some did, but i saw a lot who went to 71/72 and stayed there, same with rogues/shams/etc. axe wasn't just flavor of the day for DKs


Honestly don't see the issue, considering -everyone- scales to 74 in a battleground, thus everyone's stats are of a 74. ( Reason why secondaries sink to begin with. ) The gear scaling isn't very noticeable in our bracket, especially since people tend to buy brutal right off the bat ( 159 ilevel )

- everyone is scaling to 74, gear is not, in BGs at level 70-73 your gear is 177+ at 74 your gear is 159. it is notcieable. if your twinks are 70-73, yeah you are right not a issue

Tried a battleground earlier with a 74 in group, me being 72, we'd be able to see any difference once we joined the instance. Nothing of course, my secondaries sunk to bracket cap, his didn't since it was already to the scaling's specifications. There's no advantage a 70-73 has over a 74 besides in world pvp / pve.

- talking PVP in BGs, scaling in BGs.....we do not scale in world PVP and yes a 70-73 would have no advantage in world PVP...BGS however,,,,,,,,,,

- i'm leveling 4 DKs, 3 are still in 70-74 BGs , one just left. as i stated when in BGs my 73 had gear scaled to 177+ 24K+hp, the moment i hit 74 my player gear was 159 again and lost a ton of stats/hp/damage/etc. since i leveled from 70 thru mostly in BGs it was noticeable



How so? The moment you pass 71 outside of BG instance, your gems / enchants will scale up to Wrath; since BGs grant 'boost' to 74. Lets say that's not the case, even then the BC gems / enchants would scale up to 74.

- notice i speculated by saying "it may be best" and "is still a ways off " etc.

PS: Primaries don't scale, unlike secondary stats.

my next DK i will get stats in BGs at 70, 71, 72, 73, 74.

177+ scaling on PVP gear at 70-73 really make you more powerful than a 74 in 159 gear

if you have a 74 you will not truly notice what i'm talking about unless you have a 70-73 of the same class in BGs

 

[Valencia]

- some did, but i saw a lot who went to 71/72 and stayed there, same with rogues/shams/etc. axe wasn't just flavor of the day for DKs

Wasn' t pointing toward what was flavour of the month, merely pointing out what advantages a DK would have at 74.

- everyone is scaling to 74, gear is not, in BGs at level 70-73 your gear is 177+ at 74 your gear is 159. it is notcieable. if your twinks are 70-73, yeah you are right not a issue

The 'ridiculous' damage have 70-74's comes from our abilities, not -entirely- dependent on gear. Brutal / SWP scaling just a few ilevels isn't going to make a whole lot difference in your performance. The gems do however, particularly PvP Power ( Which is something that scales while in BG. )

- i'm leveling 4 DKs, 3 are still in 70-74 BGs , one just left. as i stated when in BGs my 73 had gear scaled to 177+ 24K+hp, the moment i hit 74 my player gear was 159 again and lost a ton of stats/hp/damage/etc. since i leveled from 70 thru mostly in BGs it was noticeable

The reason your DK didn't scale was because primaries scale up if you aren't bracket cap ( Not related to gear ). Reason why those below 74 gain some health, and some other primaries such as strength, intellect, etc ( Nothing over the top, just enough to mirror 74 ). However, a 74 twink isn't going to need that boost, especially if they're running full BiS like Faller here.

- notice i speculated by saying "it may be best" and "is still a ways off " etc.

Indeed, notice how I reassured by mentioning statement in question. Like I said, a 74 twink will not suffer much of a loss if their gear doesn't scale a few ilevels above their norm. Gems is frosting on the cake for the DPS 70-74 abilities are capable of.

 

[willix]

I don't see a problem.

 

[shanker]

hopefully these pics taken from BGs while leveling will help you understand what i was trying to explain. i'm would say that BC pve gear long with whatever few WOTLK pieces would remain at their actual item level at 74. either with patch 5.3 or incoming 5.4 (unless there will be scaling changes) 74's are imo gimped gear wise.

when i took these shots, i removed stam, stat, buffs

at 75 gear takes a insane boost, if you are in leveling BGs, in 75-79, players in PVP gear (gemmed or not) are god mode for 75 & 76. at 77-79 would need to have sone CATA greens and blues to even take on a 75-76, but imo that would be worthless for 3 levels, inless you BG leveled only. my player stayed in 70 PVP gear till 80.

 

[forthenoobs]

the purpose of hitting 74 with a dk is for danceing rune weapon (copys your blood boil)
get frost fever and blood plague on them then danceing rune weapon cast 4x blood boil each hitting 3k, lets say 2 crit for 6k meaning you do 12k but every time you cast blood boil with danceing rune weapon active it also casts blood boil meaning you do 24k with those 4 blood boils. at least thats why milked went to 74. also in the screenshots you have roughly the same stats in the picture showing your stats at 70 as in the picture showing 74.
>at 70 it shows you have 21.5k health and at 74 you have 20k.
>at 70 you have 2151 attack power and at 74 you have 1971
>at 70 you have 751 strength at 74 you have 686
i cant imagine 70 or 74 will make a huge difference sorry

 

[shanker]

look stats and item leveling scaling in the BG from the SS of the chest piece at 70 and then at 74. that is just one piece

here is a SS of the weapon difference 70 vs 74.... (don't flame me on not having weapon ench, i tired DW didn't like it, went to the vendor to get a 2H and BG popped)

a 74 used used to have mostly the same gear and stats as 70 along with more abilities, the only thing a 74 suffered was lower crit and res. with scaling as it is now the only advanatge a 74 might have is some spells, abilities, extra stealth and stealth detection

i leveled four very decent geared DKS from 70-80 in BGs only. it is very noticeable as your damage diminishes especially in a BG like SOTA when you see the #'s on demo's. it is also noticeable when i hit 74 fighting a geared 70

although i used four Dks, imo all this appiles to all classes

sure someone may SS a 74 DK in a BG soon with duel nif-axes, and 3-4 blue items from WOTLK, but nif axes aren't for all classes and going to 74 may actually hurt some classes and specs more than it will help.

as for the http://thottbot.com/item=64460 this item may scale up in BGs at the 71, 72, 73 level. but at 74 it goes back too 226 item level.