Should I stack pvp power? explained. don't come in if you don't like math.

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  • every 12.6 pvp power boosts your damage/healing by 1% no matter what.

    let's look at an example, the base healing of regrowth(without HoT) is 5059 at 70. 12.6 more pvp power will increase that by 1%, that is, by 50. but 12.6 spell power will not do that because regrowth takes 95.8% of Spell Power, so 12.6 spell power will only increase your regrowth by 12.6*95.8%=12.

    right now, you can tell how much damage/healing spells do on wowhead. so for casters, all you need to do is stack intelligence/spell power until the point at which every 12.6 intelligence/spell power only boost your main abilities by slightly less than 1%. that's when you start stacking PvP power. because from that point on, every 12.6 pvp power will continue to boost your dps/healing by 1%.

    for some, it may be beneficial to start stacking pvp power over int/sp at the very beginning, for others, it could be never. for most, there is a balance point somewhere in between, i.e., you could optimize your dps/healing.

    you can check out how much int/sp affect your spells on wowhead. simply drag the icon to level 70 and look at the tooltip. like this

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    now regarding physical dps class: it's exactly the same principle. all you need to do is stack agility/str/AP until the point at which every 12.6 agility/12.6str/25.2 AP only boost your main abilities by slightly less than 1%. then start stacking pvp power.

    so here is what you do, you do some BG's, run recount, then look at abilities that, combined, account for 90~95% of your total healing/dps, then figure out how much 12.6 of your main-stat will increase those by 1%

    for example, if your top 3 abilities are A(40%), B(20%) and C(15%), and 12.6 of your main-stat increases A by 1.4%, B by 0.8% and C by 1%, then 40%*1.4%+20%*0.8%+15%*1%=0.87%, which means 12.6 of your main-stat doesn't effectively increase your damage by 1%, so you should change some gems into pvp power gems. then you do the test again, until you are at your optimized point.
     
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    Easy to figure out once you have got your head around it.

    Assassination rogue sweet stop is 2100ap, after that stack PvP power. You will only manage to squeeze out 12% at the most, but the amount of damage I do to other rogues makes them start level 1's to ask me what I'm doing differently.

    Cheers glancealot
     
    I'm an incredible lazy shit when it comes to this stuff, but lets be honest this stuff only needs to be figured out once per class/spec. So if you've figured out the ideal AP/SP number for your class/spec you might aswell post it here and make some kind of sticky/guide out of it
     
    I'm an incredible lazy shit when it comes to this stuff, but lets be honest this stuff only needs to be figured out once per class/spec. So if you've figured out the ideal AP/SP number for your class/spec you might aswell post it here and make some kind of sticky/guide out of it

    it's style dependent. it's a case-by-case thingie.

    i am sure if you run recount on two different shadow priests or resto druids, their top three abilities are different.

    but a general guide could be made. i will look into it.
     
    you are 2 haste rating away from 5-tick rejuv...currently you have a 4-tick rejuv...

    I'm a balance druid. I spent all my time in moonkin form, as i can also cast heals in moonkin form. I also get 5% spell haste from moonkin form as a passive buff. I couln't care less about my uber nooby 12% haste UB out of form, it's is 18.05% 99% of the time.
     
    I'm a balance druid. I spent all my time in moonkin form, as i can also cast heals in moonkin form. I also get 5% spell haste from moonkin form as a passive buff. I couln't care less about my uber nooby 12% haste UB out of form, it's is 18.05% 99% of the time.

    no need to be rude mustard
     
    i appreciate the bumps but come on guys, post something constructive

    ;)
     
    What you are saying holds true for basic dps/healing. It does not take into accoung things like survivability/haste break points/crit/regen/etc...

    What I am saying is it is not as easy as saying "Just stack and gem PvP Power after this set point...". Certainly not in a PvP scenario anyway, whereas it is the case in PvE (for max dps).
     
    20 int > 20 pvp powa, no matter when.
    20 agi the same, but 20 str is bad, 20 pvp power better.

    Wrong. I did calculations for my hunter, and my druid in feral and balance. Which are already gemmed mostly pvp power. At the attack power and spell powers that I was at(already gemmed pvp power) for most abilites on feral and balance I was only getting around a .2-.4% increase in dmg oposed to the same pvp power to get a 1% increase. On the BM hunter it was actually much worse due to arcane shot being the main source of dmg which only takes 15%AP into account.

    For all 3 of those specs there isn't a point where gemming agi or int would be better than pvp power because the gains from pvp power were at least 2.5x more even at minimum AP/SP just from equipment.
     
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    Wrong. I did calculations for my hunter, and my druid in feral and balance. Which are already gemmed mostly pvp power. At the attack power and spell powers that I was at(already gemmed pvp power) for most abilites on feral and balance I was only getting around a .2-.4% increase in dmg oposed to the same pvp power to get a 1% increase. On the BM hunter it was actually much worse due to serpent sting being the main source of dmg which only takes 15%AP into account.

    For all 3 of those specs there isn't a point where gemming agi or int would be better than pvp power because the gains from pvp power were at least 2.5x more even at minimum AP/SP just from equipment.

    Wait wut, serpent sting main source of damage..? o_O I must be doing it wrong.
     
    For all 3 of those specs there isn't a point where gemming agi or int would be better than pvp power because the gains from pvp power were at least 2.5x more even at minimum AP/SP just from equipment.

    thanks for contributing.

    wtb more people to post their feedback here to help others!
     
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