Why people who say this bracket takes no skill are so wrong

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Plenty of people like to chime in on random threads with comments like LOL you said 19s and skill in the same sentence LOLLOLXD. Well how many of you actually play your class to its optimal potential? How many of you honestly don't think you can improve you play?If you answered these questions remotely honestly you will see how ignorant these comments are on top of being harmful to the community. The big picture that most people don't seem to see is that comments like this actually discourage competition because people learn to just blame imba for losing in this bracket instead of actually evaluating themselves and figuring out how to win. Yes I just wrote this up because I actually got an infraction for defending the bracket that I play in, deal with it.
 
Amen Ethan

I legitimate one too.

It still eludes me how even if people go off topic in a thread (especially when the communication taken place may also hold relevance to the thread directly or indirectly) and have a, shall we call it - heated debate - Why are they punished for hosting such a debate. Sure it may not be the perfect median for discussion but at least it shows us that the community we are apart of are willing to speak their beliefs and back them up with in-game or real life experiences or even just logical thought.

I don't know about everyone else but I feel this is a much better option then just having the whole bracket be displayed as mouth breathing vermin who are unable to play a game with limited buttons let alone forming cohesive arguments.

Time to break the stigma and let some fiery communication take place.

This is a forum site meant for communication, and not all of it is talking about numbers.
 
I would like to put this out there. Fc'n well at this bracket is more difficult than fc'n at level 85 in rbg's. As far as everything else goes I'm not entirely sure. I always heal or fc.
 
You also played rBGs once the meta game had switched to dot rot cleave mid fights with cunning.

FCing and CTF as a whole was a tad bit more complicated pre-meta switch.

eg. qt's rBG escapades
 
Sometimes I only juke 9 people, not all 10. Skill cap not yet achieved. Augy's point is valid.
 
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Karmaz said:
Amen Ethan

I legitimate one too.

It still eludes me how even if people go off topic in a thread (especially when the communication taken place may also hold relevance to the thread directly or indirectly) and have a, shall we call it - heated debate - Why are they punished for hosting such a debate. Sure it may not be the perfect median for discussion but at least it shows us that the community we are apart of are willing to speak their beliefs and back them up with in-game or real life experiences or even just logical thought.

I don't know about everyone else but I feel this is a much better option then just having the whole bracket be displayed as mouth breathing vermin who are unable to play a game with limited buttons let alone forming cohesive arguments.

Time to break the stigma and let some fiery communication take place.

This is a forum site meant for communication, and not all of it is talking about numbers.
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its like this website is taking after the american government..

NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH! IF U TALK U GO TO JAIL!
 
19s is the most movement based bracket, always was n always will be people that argue n talk about less buttons are the same kinda person that buys a big ass hummer to make up for other less appealing and lengthy things
 
The bracket doesn't take no skill, it just takes very little skill to play your class close to its highest potential. That being said, without mounts, being at the right place at the right time can be really difficult.
 
its easy for the average player to play FOTM classes at a decent level, but if u have skill capped players playin fotm classes then u can really tell nd feel the difference

however its hard to see truly good players as the average/shit player dilutes the bracket thoroughly
lucky the good players know who each other are! and usually if someone does improve it WILL be noticed by good players, the bracket is actually quite an open place despite what people think about circle jerking
 
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I agree with most of the posts in this thread. A lot of people have certain similar mindsets in this community that affects how others think of the bracket and in turn affects their attitude toward it. In the end there is not much encouragement and the lack of positive mindsets takes its toll by consequently making the bracket stagnant and unable to move forward until the community does.
 
Just stop. This reminds me of BC when people would never shut up about how 19s had some secret hidden depth because of movement. Fact: each spec has a handful of highly intuitive main abilities, making it extremely easy to play any spec at a high level.

I seem to remember another knee-jerk reaction thread being made last time the OP got an infraction from Mocha, too.
 
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I was right that time too and mocha's post was actually edited accordingly... Now get your pathetic trolling out of my thread.
 
Would you feel better about the infraction if I said 19s has more depth than pacman? I got one too, but you don't see me making QQ threads over it every time.
 
I was not, but I suppose that is the cross that I must bear. Alas, one can not expect others to always discern his posting motives. As such, you have yet to address my points.

edit: getting rdy for work, won't be able to keep up with ur usual machine gun response times
 
Remember guise, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one but nobody wants to see the other guys

tink and let tink I say
 
Just because 60% of the bracket is playing like 13 yr olds with ADD, doesn't mean the rest who have put in alot of time perfecting movement skills, and learning their class and relearning it each expansion or major patch aren't skilled. The lack of mounts, the emphasis on placement, kiting, juking, and cc make this an exciting, often nailbiting bracket. When a game is close, i enjoy it alot more than 85.

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Dorigon said:
Just stop. This reminds me of BC when people would never shut up about how 19s had some secret hidden depth because of movement. Fact: each spec has a handful of highly intuitive main abilities, making it extremely easy to play any spec at a high level.

I seem to remember another knee-jerk reaction thread being made last time the OP got an infraction from Mocha, too.
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This post has no points because your only rastionilization is that few buttons=no skill. Well so does mortal combat and many other games considered to be highly skillful so their is no need for me to even argue it. You basically just keep saying lol 19s take no skill and they never did. So unless you have anything new to contribute stay out of this thread.
 
Good post augiddin
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I agree with your assessment to an extent. I know that many long time 19s have gone on to become stud end game pvpers. I know that some stud endgame pvpers have rolled twinks thinking it would be easy mode for their godly demeanor only to discover that 19 twink WSG ain't no arena match. It's what you make of it.

I personally feel I am average player, but since I am more concerned with winning the match rather than scoreboards, hks, of the _____ titles, and 1v1 matches, I tend to seem more objective that some. I do better in battlegrounds on my mains than I do on my twinks though. Why? The skill cap at 85 is much bigger and my average play puts more people between the 1-50 percentile of players. In 19s, well at least in the past, there are more average or better players. At 85, I don't even bother fake casting. At 19, I do unless... well nm, not calling anyone out. Even though there are more buttons to mash at 85, there are more really bad players.

I look at 19s like the IROC racing series. Everyone's car is identical and winning or losing depends on the skill of the driver.

Anyhow, that's my 2 cents. :)

Derna said:
I would like to put this out there. Fc'n well at this bracket is more difficult than fc'n at level 85 in rbg's. As far as everything else goes I'm not entirely sure. I always heal or fc.
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I agree with this 100%. I have no trouble on my resto druid flag carrying at 85, sometimes without help. Last night I got into a game down 0-2 and I 3 capped in 4 minutes. I could never pull that off at 19.

Kitn said:
its like this website is taking after the american government..

NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH! IF U TALK U GO TO JAIL!
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The funny thing is people thought TI was tough when I ran the ship. :)

Saxxon said:
its easy for the average player to play FOTM classes at a decent level.
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Guilty as charged. Average as they come.
 
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