Ambush Damage Calculations for Rogues

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  • I wanted to share something about raw Ambush damage. I have been doing some calculations and have proven my theory that having the +5 maximum damage enchant and +4 damage from a Heavy Sharpening Stone on your main hand dagger delivers more raw Ambush damage than if you had +15 agility.

    ​Calculating Raw Ambush Damage

    The equation for calculating raw Ambush damage is as follows:

    Damage = [(Weapon Damage + Modifier) * Damage Percentage + Damage Bonus] * Opportunity * Master of Subtlety

    The Damage Percentage and Damage Bonus are the values that show up in the Ambush description in game, represented in decimal form. Mine says "236% damage plus 80 if a dagger is equipped". So in the equation, Damage Percentage is 2.36 and Damage Bonus is 80.

    To calculate Weapon Damage, take the weapon's maximum damage (43 in the case of my Bangalash's Claw) and multiply it by the Damage Percentage. Then add the Damage Bonus.

    To calculate the modifier, take your attack power and divide it by 14. Then multiply that number by 1.7.

    The decimal value for the damage from "Master of Sublety" is 1.10

    The decimal value for the damage from "Opportunity" is dependent on how many points you put into it (1.10 for 1 point, 1.20 for 2 points, and 1.30 for 3 points).


    How to use the formula

    Here is an example of the actual calculation.

    The maximum damage on my Bangalash's Claw is 43, so I multiply that by what my damage bonus percentage is in decimal form (2.36) and then add 80. The result is 181.48.

    Next, I have to calculate the modifier. My attack power in this case is 603. When I divide 603 by 14, I get 43.07. Then I multiply 43.07 by 1.7 and get 73.22. This is our modifier.

    Now I plug the values into the equation. It looks like this for me.

    Damage = [(181.48 + 73.22) * 2.36 + 80] * 1.30 * 1.10

    First, add 181.48 and 73.22. The result is 254.70.

    Damage = [(254.70) * 2.36 + 80] * 1.30 * 1.10

    Now, multiply 254.70 by 2.36. The result is 601.09. Add 80 to that.

    Damage = [681.09] * 1.30 * 1.10

    To finish the calculation, multiply 681.09 by 1.30. Then multiply that number by 1.10.

    Based on these calculations for my character, the maximum raw damage that my Ambush can do (without critical hits) is 973.96.

    NOTE: This is not the maximum damage that you will actually do, due to armor and other forms of damage reduction.

    When you add +9 damage on the mainhand dagger (+5 from the striking enchant and +4 from the heavy sharpening stone), you get 15 less agility from the weapon, but the raw Ambush damage is actually increased from 973.96 to 1029.66 (a difference of 55.7).

    So if you are going for raw Ambush damage, it is better to put a +5 weapon damage enchantment on your main hand dagger. You also must use the +4 damage from a Heavy Sharpening Stone.


    Calculating Attack Power

    You can also calculate your attack power based on your strength and agility.

    Attack Power = Strength + (Agility x 2) + (Character Level x 2) - 30

    If at level 24 I have 40 strength and 300 agility, my attack power will be 658. This value can then be used to calculate the modifier for Ambush damage.

    If any of the above information is inaccurate or incorrect, please tell me so I can fix it.

    Now go destroy those free-to-plays.
     
    you need to compare

    15 agi + 4 damage vs + 9 damage

    not

    15 agi vs + 9 damage
     
    Alright after I finish this bg i'll calculate it.

    Although I gave you all the formulas and knowledge to do so yourself.
     
    I can tell you ur calculations are right but overall beginning to end. I'd rather have 15 agility since goes to ap ,dodge and crit. But that's me . But I love that you researched .i do have a weapon with +5 to damage on dagger n strength on bracers . Props. it's important to own different sets of gear for different situations.
     
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    The damage for 15agi + 4dmg is 1005.82 which is still not as powerful as +9dmg (1029.66)

    wrong again. with 15+ agi, you get more ambush crits.

    even 1 more crit out of 50 ambush will make up the damage difference.

    15 agi offers around 15*1.3*0.11=2.1% more crit. which is more than 1 out of 50:)
     
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    wrong again. with 15+ agi, you get more ambush crits.

    even 1 more crit out of 50 ambush will make up the damage difference.

    15 agi offers around 15*1.3*0.11=2.1% more crit. which is more than 1 out of 50:)

    This is not a thread about mathematical probability, it is about RAW DAMAGE. Regardless of crit or not, +9 damage will do more damage than +15agi +4dmg.

    Why are you fighting against facts?
     
    This is not a thread about mathematical probability, it is about RAW DAMAGE. Regardless of crit or not, +9 damage will do more damage than +15agi +4dmg.

    Why are you fighting against facts?

    so raw damage ambush doesn't crit? what kinda of ambush have you been casting?
     
    so raw damage ambush doesn't crit? what kinda of ambush have you been casting?

    Ambush can crit. An ambush that can do up to 1029.66 damage can crit harder than an ambush that can do up to 1005.82 damage.

    1029.66 > 1005.82 (if your math skills are a little weak)
     
    Ambush can crit. An ambush that can do up to 1029.66 damage can crit harder than an ambush that can do up to 1005.82 damage.

    1029.66 > 1005.82 (if your math skills are a little weak)

    so your ambush hits 1029.66 and crits 1% of the time
    my ambush hits 1005.82 and crits 99% of the time

    (exaggerating the percentage a bit to get my point across)

    and your ambush > my ambush?
     
    so your ambush hits 1029.66 and crits 1% of the time
    my ambush hits 1005.82 and crits 99% of the time

    (exaggerating the percentage a bit to get my point across)

    and your ambush > my ambush?

    My ambush hits harder though, that is the whole point. If you are missing that point and/or cannot comprehend what I have been trying to get across to you, then I am afraid you are beyond help.

    I had a theory that +9 damage does more ambush damage than +15 agi. I proved that, you are fighting hard facts...which makes you look like a complete doofus.

    Also, 15 agi only affects crit % by a very small amount (1-2%)
     
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    I had a theory that +9 damage does more ambush damage than +15 agi. I proved that, you are fighting hard facts...which makes you look like a complete doofus.

    again your theory is moot because you have to compare 15agi + 4 dmg vs + 9 dmg.
     
    again your theory is moot because you have to compare 15agi + 4 dmg vs + 9 dmg.

    I already did. If you spent more time paying attention instead of trying to troll me, you would know that. It was on the sixth post on the first page.

    15 agi + 4 dmg = 1005.82 raw damage
    9 dmg = 1029.66 raw damage

    You are extremely stupid.
     
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    then you should have said "I had a theory that +9 damage does more ambush damage than +15 agi + 4 dmg." in post 12.

    this is what we call a bad theory because why add in the +4 dmg if it's available to both? i mean, i can just go

    "I had a theory that +9 damage + http://www.wowhead.com/item=21151 does more ambush damage than +15 agi + 4 dmg + http://www.wowhead.com/item=21151."

    you see my point?

    a good alternative would be:

    "I had a theory that +5 damage does more ambush damage than +15 agi"

    whether you proved it or not, i will quickly check.

    but it looks like you didn't consider the 30% more agility sub offers. so 15 is actually 19.5 agility.
     
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    then you should have said "I had a theory that +9 damage does more ambush damage than +15 agi + 4 dmg." in post 12.

    this is what we call a bad theory because why add in the +4 dmg if it's available to both? i mean, i can just go

    "I had a theory that +9 damage + Rumsey Rum Black Label - Item - World of Warcraft does more ambush damage than +15 agi + 4 dmg + Rumsey Rum Black Label - Item - World of Warcraft."

    you see my point?

    a good alternative would be:

    "I had a theory that +5 damage does more ambush damage than +15 agi"

    whether you proved it or not, i will quickly check.

    but it looks like you didn't consider the 30% more agility sub offers. so 15 is actually 19.5 agility.

    I was comparing my setup to the conventional setup, which is just 15 agi...everyone uses poison instead of the +4 dmg which made it a good comparison.

    In these calculations, the 30% agility bonuses were applied...so that doesn't change the facts of the end results.
     
    then you should have said "I had a theory that +9 damage does more ambush damage than +15 agi + 4 dmg." in post 12.

    this is what we call a bad theory because why add in the +4 dmg if it's available to both? i mean, i can just go

    "I had a theory that +9 damage + http://www.wowhead.com/item=21151 does more ambush damage than +15 agi + 4 dmg + http://www.wowhead.com/item=21151."

    you see my point?

    a good alternative would be:

    "I had a theory that +5 damage does more ambush damage than +15 agi"

    whether you proved it or not, i will quickly check.

    but it looks like you didn't consider the 30% more agility sub offers. so 15 is actually 19.5 agility.

    Your doing it wrong.

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