Camping is fun.

[Imirak]

Here's the deal. Every community of people, not just gamers, has standards of acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Unfortunately, the rules of behavior imposed upon us by the WoW game engine are insufficient, allowing certain anti-social players to exploit them to the overall detriment of the community.

This is why we have posts complaining about things like excessive hunters, 24 premades, graveyard camping, botting and hacking. These are all behaviors that a large portion of the F2P community consider to be detrimental. Since we cannot eliminate these behaviors, our only option for minimizing them for the betterment of the community is to point out the offenders and try to shame them and others from repeating them

Of course, there are always those antisocial types for whom this approach will never be successful, but it nevertheless reminds the normal people why these behaviors are frowned upon by the community.

 

[DubbsBegins]

Ability =/= right. And you can do something about it.

If it was only an ability and not a right, why does blizzard don't do shit about it? Not saying that blizzard is right or gy farming right but since there is no restrictions on gy farming, it is a right to do it.
What can we do to change this? Nothing. F2p can't change what blizzard does unless if we are so lucky or if they actually give a shit. Just because a group of people don t do it, It doesnt mean everyone will stop doing it.

 

[SallyG]

If it was only an ability and not a right, why does blizzard don't do shit about it? Not saying that blizzard is right or gy farming right but since there is no restrictions on gy farming, it is a right to do it.
What can we do to change this? Nothing. F2p can't change what blizzard does unless if we are so lucky or if they actually give a shit. Just because a group of people don t do it, It doesnt mean everyone will stop doing it.

It has nothing to do with a right. And everything to do with a lesson you should have been taught in early life.

You model the behaviours you want others to emulate. This has nothing to do with Blizzard and everything to do with YOU and the people you play with.

But AMG SALLY NOBODY ELSE WILL FOLLOW ME!!111!oneone!11!

So?

If you can't jolly up the manners to not be a jerk then that is YOU. YOU are bad mannered, YOU are a meaniepants (*teeheehee*) and that says something about your character in game and in real life.

BUT SALLY I AM ONLY A TOOL TO ONLINE PIXELATED PEOPLE, I WOULD NEVER BE A TOOL TO SOMEONE IN REAL LIFE, I'M AN ANGEL!111ONEONE!!11!

Really?

Treat others the way you want to be treated. Behave how you want others to behave. It starts with one. Don't be that ass.

 

[DubbsBegins]

It has nothing to do with a right. And everything to do with a lesson you should have been taught in early life.

You model the behaviours you want others to emulate. This has nothing to do with Blizzard and everything to do with YOU and the people you play with.

But AMG SALLY NOBODY ELSE WILL FOLLOW ME!!111!oneone!11!

So?

If you can't jolly up the manners to not be a jerk then that is YOU. YOU are bad mannered, YOU are a meaniepants (*teeheehee*) and that says something about your character in game and in real life.

BUT SALLY I AM ONLY A TOOL TO ONLINE PIXELATED PEOPLE, I WOULD NEVER BE A TOOL TO SOMEONE IN REAL LIFE, I'M AN ANGEL!111ONEONE!!11!

Really?

Treat others the way you want to be treated. Behave how you want others to behave. It starts with one. Don't be that ass.

Lol i don't gy farm calm down

Since you are arguing, what can you do to make everyone quit gy farming? Nothing. That was my whole point. Why are you arguing?

 

[SallyG]

I'm not arguing. I'm posting why you shouldn't be a complete tool.

You on the other hand are saying it is a-okay for it to happen. Which it is not. Grow up.

 

[DubbsBegins]

Haha go back and read what i said
Did i ever say it is okay to gy farm? Nope

Just because you argued about different thing from me, it doesn't mean you can ignore what i said and conclude that i am immature. Pretty immature stuff SallyG

 

[Omgwtfsap]

off topic: might as well have something to discuss

What about re designing gy so neither faction cant reach the opposing gy. Ie impossible to contain giving a higher chance to escape to the point of gy farming becoming impossible. Gy farming is a result of poor design that may be acceptable to blizz since if its been what 7 years (idk) and no solution or change. If you give anyone the chance to do anything it is guaranteed it will be done.

Shorten the games by adding incentives to 3 cap. Example you get massive amounts of honor if you 3 cap in less than 7 mins. Moreover the longer the game lasts the less honor you get per kill. If the game time ends you get honor cuts to the point where even flag holding will cost honor. However if your team manages to get 3 caps you still get compensated. Adding an honor less debuff could also help, like 15-25 secs.

Honor gain tiers if you win

3 cap in 10 mins.

3 capped before time ran out but still get less honor than capping in less than 10 mins.

You managed to get one more cap than the opposing team but time ran out for last cap(s)

You equalize to a tie and get compensated because you were the last to cap.

Opposing team managed to catch up. no bonus honor

You lose no bonus honor.

You dramatically start losing honor the lower the tier victory since there will be factors that drastically reduce honor gained ie attempting to gy and hold flag yields the lowest honor.

Reward decisive victories instead of having more power= gy farming potential and thus more honor.

opinions thoughts. (srry to stray away of topic)

 

[TuskyTim]

If it was only an ability and not a right, why does blizzard don't do shit about it?

Because people will still do it, they did "something" when they made the graveyard higher. Just because there is no way to stop farming without destroying the way the bg is being played isn't possible doesnt mean this isn't a problem to them or anybody else.
It is an attitude problem. If people would just play this game to play a challenging game, this wont happen, but alot of people are just playing the game for the loot (both 20s and 24 i must say.)
Just try to do the right thing yourself and dont just blindly do what everybody else does.

Does anybody else also get the following music in their head when reading this title?:

CAMP!, never been so much fun. 3x Go to your brother, kill em with your gun(hunter). Leave him dieing in his armor, dieing in the -song.

WAR

 

[Imirak]

off topic: might as well have something to discuss

What about re designing gy so neither faction cant reach the opposing gy. Ie impossible to contain giving a higher chance to escape to the point of gy farming becoming impossible. Gy farming is a result of poor design that may be acceptable to blizz since if its been what 7 years (idk) and no solution or change. If you give anyone the chance to do anything it is guaranteed it will be done.

Correct. Allowing safer g/y rezzing would discourage griefing. Having all dead players rez simultaneously at the g/y when their flag is capped by the opposing team would make it hard to camp the g/y.

Increasing honor for subsequent caps, and making it time-based would also discourage farming.

Giving players a 30-second 'honorless' debuff after they rez and while they remain on the g/y would be good, too.

There are lots of things Blizz could do, but each change also brings new opportunities for exploits.

 

[SallyG]

off topic: might as well have something to discuss

What about re designing gy so neither faction cant reach the opposing gy. Ie impossible to contain giving a higher chance to escape to the point of gy farming becoming impossible. Gy farming is a result of poor design that may be acceptable to blizz since if its been what 7 years (idk) and no solution or change. If you give anyone the chance to do anything it is guaranteed it will be done.

Redesigning could work, but at the same time I don't know how they could. There will always be a lemmings ledge of sorts, or a camp point if you will, if you look at the other BGs. One thing they could do is make it higher and not accessible to the opposing faction, i.e., EoTS. That way you at least get the option of dying, should you choose to res. Granted making it higher and non accessible would also make it so your team could not enter the GY while alive.. There are pros and cons to that.

They could do an immunity while in the GY ala WG.

An alternative is a AV style spawn, if guards attacked/killed opposing faction who entered your spawn point...

I would like to see a re-design in WSG, simply because it is my fav BG

The honor incentive is also interesting.

 

[DubbsBegins]

Because people will still do it, they did "something" when they made the graveyard higher. Just because there is no way to stop farming without destroying the way the bg is being played isn't possible doesnt mean this isn't a problem to them or anybody else.
It is an attitude problem. If people would just play this game to play a challenging game, this wont happen, but alot of people are just playing the game for the loot (both 20s and 24 i must say.)
Just try to do the right thing yourself and dont just blindly do what everybody else does.

Does anybody else also get the following music in their head when reading this title?:

CAMP!, never been so much fun. 3x Go to your brother, kill em with your gun(hunter). Leave him dieing in his armor, dieing in the -song.

WAR

Exactly why don't you read the whole thing instead of re-stating what i said. I said nothing we can do can stop gy farming

 

[Omgwtfsap]

Exactly why don't you read the whole thing instead of re-stating what i said. I said nothing we can do can stop gy farming

Tell blizz problems and feedback to see if they listen?

edit:also is gy farming a problem in end game?Do 85s that premade farm 85 pugs?

Looks like its a low twink lv problem only? How would these changes to fix low lv twink brackets affect end game "the money maker for blizz".

 

[DubbsBegins]

Tell blizz problems and feedback to see if they listen?

I would be paying for the game if that worked

 

[TuskyTim]

Exactly why don't you read the whole thing instead of re-stating what i said. I said nothing we can do can stop gy farming

The things you said stated that blizz wont do anything, while clearly they tried and therefor are not ok with it. The other thing i said is that saying there is nothing we can do about graveyard farming is having the wrong attitude and that we should show that we are above that by simply not doing it, grabbing 3th flags and not healing campers. If you are agreeing with me i'm happy that you are, but the way you said it it is like we should be cool with it and that blizzard is being the problem. I simply disagreed to that.

 

[Omgwtfsap]

The things you said stated that blizz wont do anything, while clearly they tried and therefor are not ok with it. The other thing i said is that saying there is nothing we can do about graveyard farming is having the wrong attitude and that we should show that we are above that by simply not doing it, grabbing 3th flags and not healing campers. If you are agreeing with me i'm happy that you are, but the way you said it it is like we should be cool with it and that blizzard is being the problem. I simply disagreed to that.

become the solution.

 

[Shft]

Blizzard redesigned the graveyards like this to prevent people from holding flags in the graveyard in rbgs. It worked, worse camping is a result

 

[Imirak]

Blizzard redesigned the graveyards like this to prevent people from holding flags in the graveyard in rbgs. It worked, worse camping is a result

Exactly. Every change intended for the better often has unintended consequences.

 

[TuskyTim]

Blizzard redesigned the graveyards like this to prevent people from holding flags in the graveyard in rbgs. It worked, worse camping is a result

Hmm this is actually interresting, i looked it up and it looks like you are correct. I always just asssumed they did it so mellee couldnt just get up there and out of there again. Maybe blizzard doesn't actually give a dam.

 

[Omgwtfsap]

Blizzard redesigned the graveyards like this to prevent people from holding flags in the graveyard in rbgs. It worked, worse camping is a result

hmm I' m thinking of having your gy inaccessible even to you (once you fall down) as to prevent this. That is how how i see this re design.
No life grip or anything can pull you back. Warlocks cant even get back as they are not allowed to place the (port thingy, dunno the name) on Gy.
Even so the incentives should discourage anyone from holding flag. Even if they wanted to troll their would be no way to.

 

[SallyG]

Hmm this is actually interresting, i looked it up and it looks like you are correct. I always just asssumed they did it so mellee couldnt just get up there and out of there again. Maybe blizzard doesn't actually give a dam.

I'm fairly certain they do give a damn. They spout lines all the time about fixing/removing things that make the game un-fun for players. Take a look at the loot changes for LFR. It probably takes a lot of work, time, effort to come up with a solution that will not be exploited tenfold. And reworking a BG? Probably a fairly big endeavor.

The problem is... this is a player problem, not a Blizzard problem. They really shouldn't have to fix all the bad in the world, nonetheless they try to eliminate situations where people take advantage. They have done this in the past and they will (I'm sure) continue this in the future. But asking them to police everything is unreasonable.

Which is why the solution, as a community, is to stop being jerks. This isn't Blizzard's problem to fix. It's ours.