[EU] A few questions.

Acetbh

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Alright so those came on top of my head:
[EU]
Do 80s get bg q pops on EU?If so,is it daily?Also,which hours?

Which is the best alliance and horde server for the bracket?mostly for pvp but also for raiding/gearing.

I want to play paladin (yet again duh..) how's Ret?

Do you get arenas a lot?If so,what time?

Do you need to get something like tazik for BiS gear?As in do you need to spend a lot of gold on something like that?

If bgs dont pop would going on a pvp server on the least represented faction of it and try and catch wpvp up work?

anything else you feel like adding feel free and ty in advance.
 
Alright ill try to answer a couple of your questions.

Yes we do get battleground's, i haven't seen a spike on queues such as time dependant.

Any good and high populated realm will do the job in my oppinion, unless you wish to join a guild such as Legacy or Lnsanity who count several 80's.

Paladins are great on the overall, but retribution is not exactly the best player vs. player wise.

Yes, you need to get alchemy for the trinket who is pretty much gorgeous, but it's a 100 % recipe so you wont have to re-level it several times.

No, i doubt that would be any help.

If you need further help just ask and ill do my best.
 
A few more:

I assume you do raids together?(i saw a thread) by real id?

Can you tell me which dps classes are the top on pvp and pve respectively?(a top 4 might you say)

Moreover i guess being in the guilds you mentioned makes a game a whole lot more fun than rolling just on your server,right?
 
Aelobin does have ( had ? ) a cross realm raid going on, i'm not sure if he has had the attendance to keep it running however.

Top dps classes that's quite easy i would say, pvp wise mages, rogues, shadowpriests frost dk's ( unsure on feral ) since they just go all out cataclysm gear.

Wile for a pve part i would say mages, frost dk's ferals and rogues ? ( Dont take my word for the pve part this is just a blank guess )

Well it depends, i know of several who just enjoy being on a good populated realm and planning raids when they feel like it wile doing achievement farming / battlegrounds / arena in the meantime.
 
pve:
1 - arcane mage
2 - mm hunter/fire mage
3 - frost dk

pvp:
1 - frostmage/subrogue
2 - mmhunter/shadowpriest
3- frost dk/firemage/ret(if ur no retard)
 
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unless you wish to join a guild such as Legacy or Lnsanity who count several 80's.
Legacy isn't recruiting anymore as we don't organise 80 twink events (at least not on a predictable time table) outside of the weekly cross-realm raid. The 80 twinks that remain in the guild are just a small group of friends :)

Aelobin does have ( had ? ) a cross realm raid going on, i'm not sure if he has had the attendance to keep it running however.
Aye we raid together (since about a month ago), but we're having a break this week to figure out if we still have enough people after some poor attendance. If we don't have/get enough for 25mans, we'll downgrade to 10mans and just do some fun stuff once a week.

pve:
1 - arcane mage
2 - mm hunter/fire mage
3 - frost dk
I think ele shammy and assass rogue might rank higher than hunter/dk. Not sure though, I guess it depends on the fight.
 
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if ur one of them who pops wings and get them instant dispelled, maybe..i fought against a few ret palas, with and withour shadowmourne, good and bad ret palas, and if u know how to play and have good gear, ret is realy viable and nice

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@aelobin, ye, frostdks have "good" single dps but awesome! aoe dmg, (same like eleshaman how u said, thats why i listed frost dks into top 3)
 
pve:
1 - arcane mage
2 - mm hunter/fire mage
3 - frost dk

pvp:
1 - frostmage/subrogue
2 - mmhunter/shadowpriest
3- frost dk/firemage/ret(if ur no retard)

Rets in BiS gear might equal a frost dk for 20sec every 2 minutes. Hunters aren't that great either, because they're rather soft (in my experience at least).

In PvE, arcane=fire for most fights, elemental is likely > hunters, and rogues are definitely better than frost dks (hell, unholy dks are better than frost dks).

So in short, no. only the fact that frost/sub is better than others is correct here.
 
1. mm hunter are awesome in pve (e.g kipale did more dps than most arcane mages NOW, and this pre buff)
2. eleshaman/frostdk < mm huter in SINGLETARGET DPS, but better in aoe

my pvp ranking is also right.


edit: discipriests would also be rank1@pvp, but he only asked for dps
 
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cant give u evidences, but i can tell u that i did much dungeons with prolly best people from this classes, so i know who can deal much/less dps than other classes, same sh^t like "ret pala isnt good in pvp".. a few retards played retribution and failed, but i met good rets so i can say that ret is viable
 
getting a bit derailed,from now on just post your top 4 dps classes when it comes to pvp.
dont disagree with others,just post your thoughts
 
cant give u evidences, but i can tell u that i did much dungeons with prolly best people from this classes, so i know who can deal much/less dps than other classes, same sh^t like "ret pala isnt good in pvp".. a few retards played retribution and failed, but i met good rets so i can say that ret is viable

No really. Retribution hasn't been good in pvp for a while. You might do semi-decent damage with cooldowns up, but you're very easy to CC, the only thing you have is good offheals (on a cooldown), and any smart co-ordinated team can control a ret very easily. Saying you've done "much dungeons" with "prolly best people from this classes" (whatever that means), isn't going to change the fact that there are plenty of threads on this forum proving which classes can do more dps than what you have said.

Zmirnoff for example does just as much dps (if not more) as fire than arcane. I've yet to see anyone come even close, and this includes players I know as skilled.

Anyway, back on topic:

For pvp you have two real winners. This would be frost mages and sub rogues, however frost mages fall down a little because it's quite easy to gear against them (See the other thread, a healer isn't going to notice the difference in healing when rolling with frost resist gear), whereas sub falls down with high armor classes (plate/shield users), but can kill practically anything solo.

Here's a list:

at 80
1. Frost mage/sub rogue
2. Feral druid/frost dk (Both of these classes have very high burst, if you add the fact that feral is practically unkillable as bear, it's basically even)
3. elemental shaman (resto goes here too, they're glass cannons and can usually kill a healer if they get a wind shear off + no CC)
4. Shadow priest (mind spike with 3 orbs is deadly)

For pve, the list is somewhat close. The classes listed can often do more damage than each other depending on fight, but the overall balance doesn't change much.
1. Fire/arcane mage (Fire is a little behind on single target, fast nuke fights, but excels on longer, multiple target fights)
2. Marksmanship/Elemental (These also depend heavily on the fight, elemental is probably the best aoe class at 80, so deserves a mention, however both are behind mages on most fights)
3. Assassination/unholy (Both don't really lose a lot from not being 85, and assassination gains a large amount of haste at 80, which really helps when added to high mastery. Unholy gets access to whichever stat putout it likes, and with haste being plentiful pet damage is really high)
4. Frost/shadow (Both have fairly high utility, but fall down a bit when it comes to sustained dps. Frost is fairly close to unholy however, if you're using DW).
 
getting a bit derailed,from now on just post your top 4 dps classes when it comes to pvp.
dont disagree with others,just post your thoughts

PVP:

1. Fire mages for BG's and Frost for arena..
Fire because of the very good mobility, and in BG's they can do very nice cc'ing, crazy AoE on larger packs.
Frost in arena bcause, well.. They oneshoot everything if the balance mastery and int correct.

2. Frost DK's in bg's and subrogue in arena/BG.
Frost DK, very good vs. mages(imo) and they can do some extreme damage.
subrogues.. I dislike shadowcloak and shadowstep..

3. Bg's. Retpala. As BestmageEU said, if you play it right, you're good.. If you pop wings at start, vs' a nonretarded mage.. Not so much..


Even though i've made this list, it doesnt mean those are the classes that are the most gamechanging..
Imho any good healer, especially Hpala for WSG, are extremely good, and i would suggest you rolling a healer, since they are lacking, and horde could use some help, since the lose everything, and most bgs end in some retarded taking the flag and farm, and me having to beg him to return..

Totally alliance domination, atleast when i play/played.


Edit: I wrote this while laying down sick in my bed, so please overlook any spellingmistakes.
 
dont live in a "theoretically" world, make ur own experience like i did in pvp(arena rank1 2 seasons, >40k hks in 80s XP locked BGs) and pve(many raids/dungeons withvery good 80s ppl)
 
dont live in a "theoretically" world, make ur own experience like i did in pvp(arena rank1 2 seasons, >40k hks in 80s XP locked BGs) and pve(many raids/dungeons withvery good 80s ppl)

It's all about numbers. not living in a "theoretically" world is fine, but what I put in my last post was from ingame. And since when do bgs matter?
 

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