Resilience & Power Word: Shield

[babouchka]

Hey Guys,

I'm gearing a priest at the moment, i've been a bit fed up with my rogue.

I checked some profiles and i like this one (thanks Leotsdapp, sorry if your name is incorrect).
Æphrodite @ Aerie Peak - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

He pvp a lot, and my question was why choosing the pve shoulders/chest instead of pvp?

My guess was that Power Word: Shield ( Power Word: Shield - Spell - World of Warcraft ) is not scaling with resilience (so the damage reduction of the resilience is only used while you're not shielded) so 6% crit on heal would be more usefull that damage reduction on clothes in such a bursty bracket.

I'm not 100% sure about that, so i searched on google, elitist jerks, etc. The problem is that those stats changes a lot with various patches, so any idea on this?

Thanks!

 

[Trialaccountx]

I don't know if resilience works while shield is absorbing, but I seem to remember that it does. However, resilience at this level just doesn't do a whole lot. You need 1800 something HP before 1 resil = 1 stam.

 

[Preeztess]

You get an extra +2 STAM and +2 CRIT with the PVE shoulders, in exchange for losing 5 RES.

Resilience used to be amazing at lower levels but not so much anymore...

Even if you had the trinket and the PVP shoulders, the resilience would only add up to about 5% damage mitigation. Just not worth it IMO...

 

[babouchka]

from wowhead: Exquisite Sunderseer Mantle - Item - World of Warcraft
if you drag the level to 20, you see that the mantle (5 resi) is about 2.72 damage reduction.

from what i remember reading on the forums, taking all the resi items (mantle, chest, weapon + trinket) is giving you 20% damage reduction

20% is amazing for a tanky class (paladins have about 50-60% extra damage reduction against physical damage) ; depending on your race, you can have 25% more damage reduction against some kind of magic damage).

but if the damage reduction coming from the resilience is only applied after the power-shield is down, well this is another thing.

 

[Shft]

from wowhead: Exquisite Sunderseer Mantle - Item - World of Warcraft
if you drag the level to 20, you see that the mantle (5 resi) is about 2.72 damage reduction.

from what i remember reading on the forums, taking all the resi items (mantle, chest, weapon + trinket) is giving you 20% damage reduction

There is no pvp chest. With the other three it comes to 9.79% damage reduction.

 

[Tobinofear]

I also do not know if resilience works with power word shield. But i think so.

But here is Æphrodite with pvp stuff: Chardev

	PVE	PVP	Magician's Mantle
Health	1302	1317	1407
Mana	2197	2167	2152
Spellhit	2,71%	4,88%	4,88%
Spellpower	172	170	169
Spellcrit	14,12%	11,54%	10,56%
Resilience	6(3,26%)	18(9,79%)	13(7,97%)

As you can see the only advantage of a pve build is 2,58% more spellcrit.
The pvp build prvides being hitcapped against level 20 and 6,53% more dmg reduction against all sources of dmg (including pets).
The Magician's Mantle build is also a good mix of hp and dmg reduction.

Cheers
Kinski

P.S.: Just forgot about Magician's Mantle. Added.

 

[Mialo]

This is very simple. Since you're a healer, you want to migitate damage. First of all, you want a hitcap as Priest. Second, 6% damage reduction as healer > 2.6% crit. That 6% more damagereduction could be equal to about another 100 HP. In the end it'll reduce your total amount of mana spent aswell. Since you'll have to cast way less.

 

[Tobinofear]

Ok. After reading some articles i dont think power word: shield is affected by resiliense.
If so, dmg would be reduced twice. The resilience of the shielded person and the shield itself. Doesnt make sense.

I think it work like: Calculation of dmg - reduction from resiliense (shielded person) - left charge of power word: shield: real dmg

Cheers
Kinski

(e.g.: Discipline Priest: Gear and Stats Analysis in Season 10 - Articles - Skill Capped)

 

[Trialaccountx]

Ok. After reading some articles i dont think power word: shield is affected by resiliense.
If so, dmg would be reduced twice. The resilience of the shielded person and the shield itself. Doesnt make sense.

I think it work like: Calculation of dmg - reduction from resiliense (shield person) - left charge of power word: shield: real dmg

Cheers
I think that's what OP meant. The shield target's resilience makes it harder to get through the shield.
Kinski

(e.g.: Discipline Priest: Gear and Stats Analysis in Season 10 - Articles - Skill Capped)

I think that's what OP meant. The shield target's resilience makes it harder to get through the shield.

 

[Freeranged]

I also do not know if resilience works with power word shield. But i think so.

But here is Æphrodite with pvp stuff: Chardev

	PVE	PVP	Magician's Mantle
Health	1302	1317	1407
Mana	2197	2167	2152
Spellhit	2,71%	4,88%	4,88%
Spellpower	172	170	169
Spellcrit	14,12%	11,54%	10,56%
Resilience	6(3,26%)	18(9,79%)	13(7,97%)

As you can see the only advantage of a pve build is 2,58% more spellcrit.
The pvp build prvides being hitcapped against level 20 and 6,53% more dmg reduction against all sources of dmg (including pets).
The Magician's Mantle build is also a good mix of hp and dmg reduction.

Cheers
Kinski

P.S.: Just forgot about Magician's Mantle. Added.

Effective health = HP * Resilience Gains

Effective health of Resil Shoulders = 1445.
Effective health of MM = 1519

The benefits of resilience stacking, that of increased heal efficiency, are negligible. You preemptively overheal to survive the onslaught, so any excess health is more beneficial.

 

[Mialo]

As Golden says, take the one with MM.

 

[Shft]

Interesting. Golden what do you think about MM for something like rsham/rdruid FCs vs the armor and resil on the pvp shoulders

 

[Freeranged]

Interesting. Golden what do you think about MM for something like rsham/rdruid FCs vs the armor and resil on the pvp shoulders

For pure STA, I'd recommend MM over anything. The difference between MM and Lightforge in terms of survivability lends approx 1.5% more physical damage reduction to the BoA, but even if I treated every attack as physical and just tacked it on as effective health, the MM still comes out approx 4 STA ahead. I use Lightforge for the crit, and the looks!

If you can bother farming MM, it's BiS for survival for almost every caster. I tend to lay low and let other people do the tanking for me on the battlefield, so the crit benefits my playstyle a little better, but to each his own.

 

[Shft]

For pure STA, I'd recommend MM over anything. The difference between MM and Lightforge in terms of survivability lends approx 1.5% more physical damage reduction to the BoA, but even if I treated every attack as physical and just tacked it on as effective health, the MM still comes out approx 4 STA ahead. I use Lightforge for the crit, and the looks!

If you can bother farming MM, it's BiS for survival for almost every caster. I tend to lay low and let other people do the tanking for me on the battlefield, so the crit benefits my playstyle a little better, but to each his own.

So MM is #1 for flag running, good to know. I'd imagine it's different for hunters, ferals, warriors, and possibly prot paladins. Agi gives really solid dodge and that's why I use the wsg neck on my druid.