US Bracket is going to die, at least in PvP

[Amaya]

Alliance is completely dominating the bracket. Every game is 5-10 geared Alliance/84s vs at best, half that for Horde. Unless you're running a Horde premade, your team is going to get farmed. I haven't see faction balance this bad since the days of Rets dominating 51-60 AV.

 

[Nesyla]

That looks like the opposite of what is happening within the european bracket, horde winning around 90 % of the games with nearly no competition if not from 2-3 mages, sad to hear but i can guess that with time those 84's will most likely level ( at least i hope so for you ) and bring a bit more balance in terms of win / loss ratio.

 

[Amaya]

A good, geared 80 is nearly always a match for an 84 depending on class. The biggest problem is that there are no good horde players. It's probably something like a 3:1 ratio or worse in favor of Alliance when it comes to good players/OP classes.

 

[Nesyla]

A good, geared 80 is nearly always a match for an 84 depending on class. The biggest problem is that there are no good horde players. It's probably something like a 3:1 ratio or worse in favor of Alliance when it comes to good players/OP classes.

From what i had the chance to see within the 70's bracket ( which is the one i have more experience in ) it all turns out to be a big rotation, there are the 3-4 months where horde wins nearly every match, and alliance takes over, etc etc.

All i can say is that i hope the situation get's better.

 

[Xipe]

this is one thing i'd like too agree with Nes on I dislike joining the bg's only too find its horde GY farming alliance, people wont join this bracket until the honour cost for wrathfull is lowered like what happened too the brutal gear.

 

[Amaya]

The burst in this bracket it out of control. I can drop upwards of 30k Ice Lances at around 33 Mastery 4kish Spellpower in PvE gear. 20kish is a lot more common, but even 40% DR and 40k HP won't last long against that. If you're at 40% DR than you're giving up a lot of damage.

imo, there needs to be a hard cap on mastery, because only classes that have awesome mastery for burst damage are causing these problems. Cap it at 25, so it won't effect endgame. That + resil will bring burst down a lot.

I don't think I've seen a single horde player in full Wrathful. I'd love to have it (except a handful of slots), but it's impossible to get when you get 40 honor a game.

 

[Nesyla]

The burst in this bracket it out of control. I can drop upwards of 30k Ice Lances at around 33 Mastery 4kish Spellpower in PvE gear. 20kish is a lot more common, but even 40% DR and 40k HP won't last long against that. If you're at 40% DR than you're giving up a lot of damage.

imo, there needs to be a hard cap on mastery, because only classes that have awesome mastery for burst damage are causing these problems. Cap it at 25, so it won't effect endgame. That + resil will bring burst down a lot.

I don't think I've seen a single horde player in full Wrathful. I'd love to have it (except a handful of slots), but it's impossible to get when you get 40 honor a game.

The damage is indeed too high and completely out of control, just to make a perhaps silly example, me and my 2's partner are both paladins, i play holy with 45 % damage reduction and he plays retri with around 20 % damage reduction, he tried to balance out survability and damage at the same time, since as a retri the only way he has to score a kill is thru burst, he was getting 11 k ice lances.

We faced a double hunter team, both 84 and both Beast Mastery, the both used wrath, sent pets who did 18 k crits and 5 k melee hits on me togheter for a total of 46 k damage done in 1 global, they diden't even have to hit us once, just sent pets.

 

[Amaya]

I've been hit for 40k by Beast Mastery hunters. No resil. It's insane.

Everything procced +4/5 t10 I've gotten 80k ABs without Berserking. Damage is unreal due to mastery scaling.

 

[Nesyla]

I've been hit for 40k by Beast Mastery hunters. No resil. It's insane.

Everything procced +4/5 t10 I've gotten 80k ABs without Berserking. Damage is unreal due to mastery scaling.

I think that just by removing Mastery they could help this bracket a lot, perhaps just make it so that you get it at 85, not like there is any need for mastery from 80 to 84 leveling is there ?

 

[Falkor]

I've been hit for 40k by Beast Mastery hunters. No resil. It's insane.

Everything procced +4/5 t10 I've gotten 80k ABs without Berserking. Damage is unreal due to mastery scaling.

it is but i dont see them putting in a hard cap, or even adding diminishing returns b/c it doesnt effect end game

also alliance has pretty much always dominated except for a bit of time when horde had 2-3 active guilds doing semi-premades + geared twinks from other servers and it went back and forth

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I think that just by removing Mastery they could help this bracket a lot, perhaps just make it so that you get it at 85, not like there is any need for mastery from 80 to 84 leveling is there ?

i thought i read somewhere they were thinking of removing mastery from 80 when panda hits but idk for sure and dont feel like fact checking atm

honestly removing mastery would suck, but it would the best way to balance it imo.
putting a hard cap at 25 wont really help b/c some masterys benefit a lot more than others...take ret for example, 25 mastery is 52.5 extra holy damage on a few abilities which is still really nice, but its still worse off than a mages mastery at 25 (70% more periodic fire damage, 62.5% to frozen targets, or 37.5% to all spells)
and then there are mastery benefits that arent even that great to begin with, ex. holy pally where resil, crit and haste are pretty high on the list and mastery is just gravy

but even with all the imbalances, i really like mastery and how superb it scales at 80 so i wouldnt want to lose it or change it. just roll with the punches imo

 

[Splosion]

Tbh, I've actually found it manageable. If you don't use resi, you're going to be bursted by basically anyone (that much was true in wotlk anyway), but it's manageable. Mastery is just high, and in my experience (playing a holy paladin), I can happily stop a mage doing anything by simply casting exorcism on him (for the 100% less crit chance debuff). Or doing my recent trick of using the naxx FR gear (you can't stack spell pen to counter almost 500 resistance). Most classes are bursty, but I'm sure in a bg of geared twinks vs geared twinks, the result won't be too much different compared to 85 (This bracket is better than 70s, simply because most classes have more tools to deal with the top classes).

I'll agree with the notion that BGs are rather useless, since most if not all end up being a massive, massive GY grind (Although I have had it in reverse from the alliance, although a lot of the decent 80 alliance players have stopped), but you simply need to look at it properly. You need resilience here (if you're solo-queueing, go for high survival against the classes you know can kill you easily). I have yet to be beaten by an 84 in arenas, because despite their damage, they lack the regen/crit/survival that we have at 80, and thus are only a sack of health, of which only blood dks are annoying to kill (get on an 84 that isn't blood for a few seconds and their extra health means nothing if you hit for 100% damage).

tl;dr this bracket isn't as unbalanced as you might expect, certainly no more than 70s is, there's just less players (gear availability)

 

[Oliks]

Yea this is exactly opposite of whats happening in EU..
I try to get as many premades up and running ( alliance ), and we win most of them with just quick runs, without farming.. (Unless some tard takes flag and holds it)
and i would say the same thing to you..
Only do premades..