First of all, let me just make it clear: I'm not making this post in an attempt to start anymore drama. I have an opinion that I would like to be heard by those who it concerns, that is all.
I'm pretty sure everyone who visits the 80-84 section regularly will know that it isn't as active as many of us would like, especially in comparison to the other twinking brackets. However, we still seem to pull together with the few people who do post here in the hope of maintaining what could be a growing community. The reason I use the word "could" is because of two issues I'd like to address.
The first is what happened this evening. I won't deny that this forum was in a bit of chaos with a tipsy Scotsman let loose across it (who was an officer of my guild Legacy back in our 80 raiding days). That being said, it's the most active (and probably entertaining) that this section has been in quite a while. Sure, he (and possibly one or two others) may have overstepped the line a bit and thus those posts were deleted to maintain order, but there were some genuine posts amongst the "fun" that were deleted also. It wasn't that which bothered me so much though, more the permanent bans that were given to both him and another guild member of mine (who was just casually posting in response to him).
Which brings me to the quoted line above this wall of text. If a user is putting his own time and effort into helping out others on this forum, and such contributions are so valuable that you take the time to repost them, then what does that show for the future of this community? If the helpful people end up being banned for a mere night of silly back and forth, that's going to do nothing but reduce the quantity and quality of posts in this section. Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither user had any "warn status" or whatever you call the infraction system here, yet they were immediately given permanent bans.
The second issue I wanted to raise was just about the general moderation of this section. It feels like all the flaming and insults are tolerated here, that is until it the "Community Leader" comes into the line of fire. I'm referring mainly to the poster who got banned last night in the UI thread (I didn't know him personally) who was simply asking you a question, Nesyla. Yes, he could have been a bit more polite in how he asked it (and responded thereafter), but at the same time I'd say the majority of posts made here contain a similiar attitude and are never touched. If you're going to attempt to justify banning a member with over 2000 posts, can you at least uphold some sort of consistency with the moderation? I know I'm not perfect and I know some people have their own ways of expressing themselves, but it feels unfair that action is rarely taken unless it is something aimed specifically at you.
Obviously this is off-topic and I'm guessing that commenting on moderator action is frowned upon, so if you want to go ahead and delete this post once you (and Kore) have read it then I'll stay quiet about it from then onwards.
Right, let me get this straight from the beginning and if my tone might sound a bit irritated ignore it.
There is a difference betwen bringing activity and considering these forums as your own personal playground, the way both your ex guild members was absolutely wrong, they started from the prospective of having the right to say, write and post whar and wherever they wanted, this is a pulic forum on a website that aims to be a mature, polite and information tool for both developement and general knowledge about the Twink World, try to think about what happened tonight being a normal average user who perhaps just logs once a day to stay updated on guilds and community plans to improve the in-game fun by organizing various events, do you genuinly think that you would have apreciated the spam that i personally had to clean up tonight ? Or would have you rather saw it as a denigratory act to this whole community ?
About 160 posts where created, this is a huge ammount to clean up, i went thru every single one of them and i can assure you that the only notable post was the two i saved and posted as response in this thread. If an user is putting his own time and effort into helping out people he should be enought mature to understand that spamming 158 ( two where positive ) will most likely get him a permanent ban, there is no reason why this community should accept 158 spam posts for two positive ones, if it was the other way around i could partially agree with you, but it was not.
Here is a direct link to Twink Info CoC, as you can see by yourself every post found being in direct disagreement can and will be considered as a violation, 158 spam posts add so many " warning points " that the account results into a permament ban. I would as well like to quote a specific part from the botton part :
- We reserve the right to disable or action against any account at any time for any reason and without notice.
- Any abuse towards our staff and/or management in any form will not be tolerated.
Please be aware that i have no ban " hammer " and that my powers are very limited, my job is to help the Moderators and the Administrators who are busy with several issues and do not have the time to go thru reach thread, this is what we Community Leaders try to do at our best.
No sort of insult or flaming is tollerated, if you see posts including such terms you have a report button and your higly encouraged to use it, yes it's mainly our job to do that, but we are human and we still might miss some, i can guarantee you that any kind of report is being equally valued and that a report done by a Community Leader is not considered more than a Member's report, both are considered the same way and dealt with as soon as humanly possible.
Your tone here seems to have taken a bit of a more personal direction, please do not misunderstand me, but you are in fact not aware on that poster's history and you do not know the ammount of warnings that his account had, the fact of me being taken into the " line of fire " did not have any kind of impact on the decision, it would have been dealt the same way if any other member had been " targeted " .
I really dont see an sort of specific cible above my head, and most members are starting to finally apreciate our daily effort to keep the forums clean as they are ment to be.
Discussing Disciplinary Actions
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This category includes :
- Creating posts or threads to discuss disciplinary actions taken against any account, thread or other parts of the forum.
If a member is found to have participated in such actions, he/she will :
- Be given an appropriate number of infraction points or a temporary/extended ban from the forums, depending upon severity
If you wish to dispute disciplinary action taken against you you should directly contact any staff member through the Private Message system on the account in question.
I wanted to make a thread to clarify the situation and prevent such questions as yours Feaire, but it was decided not to.
I will not delete your questions, as i tried to answer to each one of them at my best, i understand your thoughts and i tried to clarify them. This is not ment to be taken as a reason to derail this thread further.
If your questions, and my answers seem to be a reason why this thread derails i will be removing them. I would just like to add that judging this whole situation from an objective point of view is not very easy considering that you have been a guild member of both banned accounts, but try to understand that we are not here to make these forums a dictatorship, but a better place.
- Nesyla
