I'm making a 70 hunter!
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Zephinism
Legend
My brothers and I recently started 70s as well (Surv/MM Hunter, Resto/ele shaman and Destro/Demo lock). I have seen my brother gain reputation for classic factions AND BC factions wearing the classic factions tabard in BC dungeons. I'm unaware of when this was patched in, but it's in now.
I found as a survival hunter I could actually limp out of a rogues original stun if they did the usual and didn't disarm (half of them don't, god knows why!), and then I could chuck down a frost trap which roots them for 2 secs and triggers TNT for 2 explo shots free of charge, disengage them and kite them dead in 3 explo shots.
I was fairly useless against shielded targets or targets which could heal. So basically : Priests/Mages/Druids/Shamans/Paladins.
I've recently switched to Marks and I have less health so I'm less likely to escape a rogue, and I find it very hard to escape them as I have less oh-shit buttons.
However, as a Marks Hunter I can do some serious damage if I time aimed/chimera/insta-aimed in a quick succession. Another drawback with Marks is you rack up deaths quite quickly. I'm geared "Alright" ( http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/saurfang/Zephinism/advanced ) with a 12.4k healthpool unbuffed. I've been hit by 8k lava bursts, 10k+ arcane blasts, insta-kill ambush-evis. etc.
As a Hunter you're quick burst but even if you travel with healers, if you get 2shot it's pointless (hence why Priests make the best healers for a Hunter, imho).
Nearly every Hunter I've encountered has been Marks, and I've faired okay-ish against Marks hunters by doing unusual things against them. Many Hunters like to stand there and slowly cast Aimed Shot, which you just need to feign death/LoS/Out of range to make it time wasted.
I found as a survival hunter I could actually limp out of a rogues original stun if they did the usual and didn't disarm (half of them don't, god knows why!), and then I could chuck down a frost trap which roots them for 2 secs and triggers TNT for 2 explo shots free of charge, disengage them and kite them dead in 3 explo shots.
I was fairly useless against shielded targets or targets which could heal. So basically : Priests/Mages/Druids/Shamans/Paladins.
I've recently switched to Marks and I have less health so I'm less likely to escape a rogue, and I find it very hard to escape them as I have less oh-shit buttons.
However, as a Marks Hunter I can do some serious damage if I time aimed/chimera/insta-aimed in a quick succession. Another drawback with Marks is you rack up deaths quite quickly. I'm geared "Alright" ( http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/saurfang/Zephinism/advanced ) with a 12.4k healthpool unbuffed. I've been hit by 8k lava bursts, 10k+ arcane blasts, insta-kill ambush-evis. etc.
As a Hunter you're quick burst but even if you travel with healers, if you get 2shot it's pointless (hence why Priests make the best healers for a Hunter, imho).
Nearly every Hunter I've encountered has been Marks, and I've faired okay-ish against Marks hunters by doing unusual things against them. Many Hunters like to stand there and slowly cast Aimed Shot, which you just need to feign death/LoS/Out of range to make it time wasted.
Arazen
Legend
Hunters are glass cannons. be prepared for a lot of dying. Do NOT try to solo any pvp'er at 70. On my paladin, one Avengers Shield will bring down ANY hunter to half health. he can continue kiting me, and as long as I survive the next 15 seconds or so, I will bring him down with a second Avengers Shield.
That being said, they ARE viable with a group. Play very defensively, you are merely a support class here. Use a dk or war or paladin as a shield to keep rogues off you, and burn any mage you see. You can match any mage's burst if you get your insta AiS proc off, with Chimera. Also, with Silencing Shot, you and rogues are the only counters to mages.
I hate to say this, but hunters do suck at 70. I can say this because I played at 70 for a bit, then 80, decided pvp for hunters sucked, and went PvE.
That being said, they ARE viable with a group. Play very defensively, you are merely a support class here. Use a dk or war or paladin as a shield to keep rogues off you, and burn any mage you see. You can match any mage's burst if you get your insta AiS proc off, with Chimera. Also, with Silencing Shot, you and rogues are the only counters to mages.
I hate to say this, but hunters do suck at 70. I can say this because I played at 70 for a bit, then 80, decided pvp for hunters sucked, and went PvE.
Esotra
Legend
If memory serves, Rogues can cloak ES, And overall, Survival is still rather weak.
As marks, You can literally 1-hit rogues, Just bounce around, hear the stealth sound, Start mashin' chimera. One chimera crit, it'll break stealth, and they'll be almost dead. Fire off an arcane or two, Scatter the shadowstep, by then just kill shot, and they are finished.
Can't stress this enough. Run with a damn tenacity pet. Roar of sacrifice is one of the only two Defensive cooldowns hunters have access to at 70, Which you cannot obtain at 70 with a cunning pet, and you cannot obtain, at all, with a Ferocity pet. So snag a scorpid/crab. The former has a 10 second disarm. 'Sic it on other hunters, and as 95% of others don't have weapon chains, that's more or less an instant win.
Another thing, Drop 'sic em, And pick up posthaste. If not for the Movement speed on disengage, Do it for the reduced RF cooldown. Coupled with readiness, That'll give you two silences, Two chimeras, and 30 seconds worth of a bloodlust. Pick up berserker and you will absolutely obliterate *anything*.
And really, Always try to find, and befriend a priest, pref disc/holy in a battleground, stay near them. Their shields are beyond godly, they are by-far the best healer to be with, as a hunter. And for the love of gawd. Get a tenacity pet, and some spell penetration. At the minimum, 35 to negate the resistance from motw/kings. 70 to negate racials.
Zayiah
Legend
I usually get fucked over by good hunters, Once again Im implying there are any good hunters EU, there are about 10
Esotra
Legend
I usually get fucked over by good hunters, Once again Im implying there are any good hunters EU, there are about 10But Most of them I can two hit / three hit and others don't cause me much bother.
Yeah, if we manage to chimera rogues before they can open, it really improves our chances. If it crits, more or less game over.
Then again, Get caught in a confined area, ie; AV Horde tower. *shudder* and rogues will just.. ..Dead.
Aerodynamic
Legend
Hunters @ 70 are a fun class.
reason i enjoy them so much is its a good change from a priest/druid/pally which are my other 70s. personally im not a very patient person, so a huge reason why i enjoy my hunter is that when ever i get too many enemys in bgs (when i played there were a few) i would just log over and resilance stack disco priest.
Hunters are the glassiest cannon class in the bracket, its very satisfying when you bring down a enemy fc in 2 hits. it does take skill and major game knowledge tho.
hope you enjoy your hunter, as its one of the weaker classes, due to no survibility what so ever.
btw do not go PVE hunter for arenas, my PVE hunters only for bgs
reason i enjoy them so much is its a good change from a priest/druid/pally which are my other 70s. personally im not a very patient person, so a huge reason why i enjoy my hunter is that when ever i get too many enemys in bgs (when i played there were a few) i would just log over and resilance stack disco priest.
Hunters are the glassiest cannon class in the bracket, its very satisfying when you bring down a enemy fc in 2 hits. it does take skill and major game knowledge tho.
hope you enjoy your hunter, as its one of the weaker classes, due to no survibility what so ever.
btw do not go PVE hunter for arenas, my PVE hunters only for bgs
Esotra
Legend
Having a tenacity pet, or pets, dismiss one when you aren't near anybody else, call a second/third/forth tenacity pet out. It's only a 1 minute cd, 42 seconds as Beast mastery, but 12 Seconds of crit immunity is just downright godly.
PvE hunter works! Snag a disc priest, and a disc/rogue or somesuch for threes, just always roll with a priest.
Ettan
Legend
Because of lack of deterrence (it is now 78). And well since most hunters go for pure agil and disregard resil for more pew pew.
You can however go for something more balanced tho say 600 resil, that gives some survivability at the cost of damage.
Unless you pvp with mates/ dont have a healer that is def the way to go.
Viable specs are MM and BM, SV is just shit damage.
MM has the highest burst and therefore the greatest viability for bgs/arena, BM has the best defense with Bw as a 1.17min second trinket + it still has decent damage but its more flat dmg.
Would also recommend getting tailoring as a second prof. That net just adds a little extra + the 400ap cloak ench is more or less on pair with other profs.
Ettan
Legend
Yeah, if we manage to chimera rogues before they can open, it really improves our chances. If it crits, more or less game over.
Then again, Get caught in a confined area, ie; AV Horde tower. *shudder* and rogues will just.. ..Dead.
As bm 1v1 on with a rouge is rather easy just be fast to use Bw/ trinket + intimidation and alwaaaaaays save the trink for disarm lol.
The problem is a bg situation where you have say just sent away your pet chasing that frost mage and a fucker pops up and starts riping your shit out.
I find cunning pets best vs rouges, you can just pop bullheaded then if he blinds your pet.
Esotra
Legend
Marksman 1v1 with a rogue, more often the not i get get a shot off on him before he opens, Get up a hunter's mark on him, Flare where he is, Scatter him if/when he shadowsteps, and.. Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Yeah, that's why i keep my scorpid on passive, As marks, of course. Damage is just too piddly to have him sitting on something 20 yards away, rogue opens on me, I can RoS, but sometimes that's just not enough, or it's on cooldown.
@ Above, above post of yours, loldoubtpost. Tailoring is sub-par to most professions. For one, it's a proc, Unless you have an ICD tracker, and it has a very high chance/rate of proccing, such enchants tend to be unpredictable to when they'll 'proc', which could be from a melee hit, just as you cop a blind, gouge, kidney, horror, Fearbomb, and so on. you need Spell penetration. If affects Chimera, SrS, Explosive shot, Arcane shot, Ice cube trap, and so on. You can either put a 35 Spell pen on cloak, or 22 Agility, so this is the perfect place to.. Trade raw stats for Spell pen, which not enough hunters use. Best professions for a hunter would be hands-down Engineering, and preferably Jewel-crafting.
Where leather-working yields 130 Attack power to bracers, in place of 50 Attack power. So you gain 80 Attack power, from Leather-working. (Not taking into account the 55 Stam/22 Agi leg enchant, over 45/15, As the enchants stay, even if you drop the profession.) Whereas jewel-crafting could offer upto 42 Agility, which is just downright stronger, in every way, then 80 AP. Aswell as the option of a 43 Spell penetration gem, Or the 34 Resilience gems.
On the topic of Resilience Vs Raw Agility. In a solo situation, You'll end up being in battlegrounds where it just won't matter, other team is full of rogues, mages, too many healers to burst anything, you know the types of battles. but, With Resilience-heavy gear, It's rarely even worth considering trying to kill a healer. And sometimes just being unable to kill something else with the ability to heal, with resilience, i.e; 600 Resilience shadow priest, or moonkin.
Always saw the role, or benefit of being a hunter in the bracket is the ability to just 'blow something up', or 'take your shot', then wait for another opening, In a solo environment, i.e; 1v1, You are more often often then not, better off With pure agility, For example, Blow up a caster within a silencing shot removes the need for resilience, completely.
But as a personal preference, i roll with an offensive, and defensive set of gear. One having 3500 Attack power, 15% Resilience, or 2800 Attack power, and 35% resilience, give or take.
In a nutshell; Gemming, enchanting, gearing, and so on, is very situational, What may work in battlegrounds may get you splattered in the arena.
Yeah, that's why i keep my scorpid on passive, As marks, of course. Damage is just too piddly to have him sitting on something 20 yards away, rogue opens on me, I can RoS, but sometimes that's just not enough, or it's on cooldown.
@ Above, above post of yours, loldoubtpost. Tailoring is sub-par to most professions. For one, it's a proc, Unless you have an ICD tracker, and it has a very high chance/rate of proccing, such enchants tend to be unpredictable to when they'll 'proc', which could be from a melee hit, just as you cop a blind, gouge, kidney, horror, Fearbomb, and so on. you need Spell penetration. If affects Chimera, SrS, Explosive shot, Arcane shot, Ice cube trap, and so on. You can either put a 35 Spell pen on cloak, or 22 Agility, so this is the perfect place to.. Trade raw stats for Spell pen, which not enough hunters use. Best professions for a hunter would be hands-down Engineering, and preferably Jewel-crafting.
Where leather-working yields 130 Attack power to bracers, in place of 50 Attack power. So you gain 80 Attack power, from Leather-working. (Not taking into account the 55 Stam/22 Agi leg enchant, over 45/15, As the enchants stay, even if you drop the profession.) Whereas jewel-crafting could offer upto 42 Agility, which is just downright stronger, in every way, then 80 AP. Aswell as the option of a 43 Spell penetration gem, Or the 34 Resilience gems.
On the topic of Resilience Vs Raw Agility. In a solo situation, You'll end up being in battlegrounds where it just won't matter, other team is full of rogues, mages, too many healers to burst anything, you know the types of battles. but, With Resilience-heavy gear, It's rarely even worth considering trying to kill a healer. And sometimes just being unable to kill something else with the ability to heal, with resilience, i.e; 600 Resilience shadow priest, or moonkin.
Always saw the role, or benefit of being a hunter in the bracket is the ability to just 'blow something up', or 'take your shot', then wait for another opening, In a solo environment, i.e; 1v1, You are more often often then not, better off With pure agility, For example, Blow up a caster within a silencing shot removes the need for resilience, completely.
But as a personal preference, i roll with an offensive, and defensive set of gear. One having 3500 Attack power, 15% Resilience, or 2800 Attack power, and 35% resilience, give or take.
In a nutshell; Gemming, enchanting, gearing, and so on, is very situational, What may work in battlegrounds may get you splattered in the arena.
Twinkzruz
OG
I just wanted to update, that i've just hit level 70 today! I geared out in full Brutal gear, bought some mixed gems, and i'm going to start the long journey to perfection
I would like to thank everyone that took the time to give me advice, and i will take each and every bit of it to heart.
I would like to thank everyone that took the time to give me advice, and i will take each and every bit of it to heart.
Twinkzruz
OG
Okay, probably my last update of this thread.
I just wanted to post a link to my armory for anyone that wanted to take a look at what i've got going so far.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/the-venture-co/Tour/simple
I'm working on the honor for all of my gems, and trying to get enchanters with what i need.
I just wanted to post a link to my armory for anyone that wanted to take a look at what i've got going so far.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/the-venture-co/Tour/simple
I'm working on the honor for all of my gems, and trying to get enchanters with what i need.