So making a hpala.. frustrated (alliance!)

[Senr]

U fail sir. If you want to have max heal performance, sure you can do it this way. But if you want to be a wall, considering you will get focused alot, you should use mail as much as you can. There are tons of rogues out there. normally 4-5 per game (EU), and huntards have more dmg dealing phys abilities. not only expo and arkan...

Before I went holy I was prot at about 1800/1700. I tanked for days, hunters, rogues, mages had trouble burning with silence shield. Obviously I'm going to swap for something for higher armor without losing stats, but only if the stat loss is minimal. Mail gear just doesn't have it, Sure Ill take less damage, but Im also healing for less and have less health, overall a drop in performance.

>implying you won't get 3 shoted by Rogues

Not unless I S key as bad as they do. If you cant kite most rogues at 19 you probably shouldn't even be on this forum. Sorry bro. Even the decent rogues aren't that bad tbh, you can juke most any of them.

with out armor a hpally becomes a priest without power word shield.

And like 20% more armor, instant heals, and a physical immunity bubble.





Honestly Ive tried it both ways, but without the crit you wont be doing nearly as much healing, its just a fact. Tbh I wouldn't touch holy without crit, HS and WoG non crits are laughable, prot is better healing if that's the way you want to go.

 

[Phonebook]

relying on rng crits to survive seems suckie .

 

[Llare]

relying on rng crits to survive seems suckie .

WoW in its entirety revolves around RNG.



Grunt's Legguards aren't BiS, even for an Armor set. You should be using Forestkeeper Legguards for every average/balanced set.



Mystical Coif of Elements

Thick Bronze Necklace

Pristine Lightforge Spaulders

Spidersilk Drape (if you don't have 2nd Argus Ring you'll be using Lavishly Jeweled anyway, so you might aswell Hit Cap), +5 Resi

Mystical Chest of Elements, +4 Stats

Fortified Bracers of the Eagle, +9 Stam

Defender's Gauntlets of the Eagle, +10 Haste

Earthbound Girdle of the Sorcerer

Forestkeeper Legguards

Spidersilk Boots/Defender's Boots of the Eagle (your choice), +Minor Speed

Seal of Argas

Lavishly Jeweled Ring

Inherited Insignia of the Alliance

Arena Grand Master

Devout Aurastone Hammer, +22 Int

Forest Buckler, +10 Stam +10 Spi



225 Skinning

225 Herbalism



^ is BiS average non GFd non FC set if you feel the need for survivability via Armor and Health



And for Crit naysayers, don't assume people don't swap sets inside of BGs.



If you know you aren't going to be focused, use a Crit set. It's the most healing output.



If you're going to be focused, use the above set.

Tbh I wouldn't touch holy without crit, HS and WoG non crits are laughable, prot is better healing if that's the way you want to go.

This is a very silly statement and should be disregarded.



Prot Healing is very bad.

 

[Dramatized]

Not unless I S key as bad as they do. If you cant kite most rogues at 19 you probably shouldn't even be on this forum. Sorry bro. Even the decent rogues aren't that bad tbh, you can juke most any of them.

Okey. I honestly want to know how this "kiting" works that all you guys are talking about. I am new att playing Paladin (only 5k HKs), but from a Rogue POV (which I have plenty of experience of) it's kind of hard for a Paladin to kite a Rogue that got Sprint and Shadowstep. I yet haven't experienced one single Paladin that have better movility than a Rogue or a Hunter.



So please enlighten me.

 

[Phonebook]

WoW in its entirety revolves around RNG.

It might be , but it dosent change that its stupid to rely on.

 

[Dramatized]

WoW in its entirety revolves around RNG.



Grunt's Legguards aren't BiS, even for an Armor set. You should be using Forestkeeper Legguards for every average/balanced set.

Yes, but as he is Alliance he won't be able to get those.

 

[Johnnyfirs]

Yes, but as he is Alliance he won't be able to get those.

Yeah I got them, there's an alliance version

 

[Dramatized]

Yeah I got them, there's an alliance version

nvm found them

 

[Dangerdoom]

my holy pally is 2200 armor,



people are leaving out woodorking gloves, serpentis gloves, just a few extra options,



prior to cata burst my pug wsg healing set had a lot of cloth and just stacked max stats, but the people who are giving advice to keep as much stats as possible without sacrificing armor are currently correct.



some mixing of cloth and leather can be viable. i will log out in a for example set with mixed items that holds up ok against any mellee.



http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/skullcrusher/%c3%85%c3%b6%c3%ab/simple

 

[Llare]

It might be , but it dosent change that its stupid to rely on.

I didn't say anything about relying on it to survive.



If you know Rogues aren't going to target you, or there's a small # of Rogues on the enemy team, you use a Crit set.

 

[Hurrx]

Fhayr this is the first time u post something i disagree with on forums.



Armor gear is better if you aren't experienced with fakecasting, obviously, so rogues don't do as much damage at you when your healing spells are outlocked.



If you however are good at faking, I suggest crit gear, since the crit heals will outweigh the extra damage he does to your 5%-less armor set.



RNG wins games, it's that simple.

 

[Llare]

Fhayr this is the first time u post something i disagree with on forums.



Armor gear is better if you aren't experienced with fakecasting, obviously, so rogues don't do as much damage at you when your healing spells are outlocked.



If you however are good at faking, I suggest crit gear, since the crit heals will outweigh the extra damage he does to your 5%-less armor set.



RNG wins games, it's that simple.

This thread is for a new rolled Paladin.



Of course I prefer Crit 1v1 vs Rogues.

 

[tinkx]

all of this crit vs armor bs whats the most played dps @19? rogue/hunter agreed?



and how much healing does a dead pally with 30% crit do?



inb4 but if theres no rogues/hunters not gonna happen. and if there not focusing you could probs run round naked and still win cause they'd be has thick has s**t.



edit: if he's alli and not gonna faction he cant get a proper crit set.

 

[Llare]

all of this crit vs armor bs whats the most played dps @19? rogue/hunter agreed?



and how much healing does a dead pally with 30% crit do?



inb4 but if theres no rogues/hunters not gonna happen. and if there not focusing you could probs run round naked and still win cause they'd be has thick has s**t.



edit: if he's alli and not gonna faction he cant get a proper crit set.

Line of sight.



Fakecast.



Is fine if you need Armor to survive vs them, I understand.

edit: if he's alli and not gonna faction he cant get a proper crit set.

He can still pick up a good amount of Crit easily.

 

[tinkx]

Is fine if you need Armor to survive vs them, I understand.

now why be like that? so you're always near LoS? and you never get interupted? you've never had a rogue open with kick or a mage imp cs you? if not whos been playing your account lately?

 

[Hurrx]

>implying anyone at 19 eu can interrupt correctly



I agree with alliance only holy paladins having a hard time picking up enough crit.

 

[Llare]

now why be like that? so you're always near LoS? and you never get interupted? you've never had a rogue open with kick or a mage imp cs you? if not whos been playing your account lately?

Oh that wasn't a jibe at you or anything silly like that.



Was in general, I can see why people would need Armor if they're inexperienced/new.



Not saying it's impossible to interupt me.



Just alot of people aren't very good at interupting on Horde currently, I can't think of any Horde Rogues EU that even change when they kick, besides Xatu and Redrum.



Same for Mages, save for maybe Vian and Strihanica.



(I apologise in advance if I've forgotten anyone, I just can't think of many currently.)

 

[Senr]

This is a very silly statement and should be disregarded.



Prot Healing is very bad.

You're right, a 180 and change HS with a GCD is worth it over a close to 600 FoL without GCD. WoG non crits are pretty bleh too tbh. Prot healing should obviously never be better than Holy's, but without crit its pretty close.

Okey. I honestly want to know how this "kiting" works that all you guys are talking about. I am new att playing Paladin (only 5k HKs), but from a Rogue POV (which I have plenty of experience of) it's kind of hard for a Paladin to kite a Rogue that got Sprint and Shadowstep. I yet haven't experienced one single Paladin that have better movility than a Rogue or a Hunter.



So please enlighten me.

Use terain, back strafe, ect, its not hard. I see Rogues sprint right by me all day because I took a turn they didn't expect.

Armor gear is better if you aren't experienced with fakecasting, obviously, so rogues don't do as much damage at you when your healing spells are outlocked.

Pretty much, if you position yourself correctly you can see a kick coming from miles away. Whenever they're headed over just finish what you can then kite away, generally they get discouraged by not doing dps on fc and leave. If I need to hard cast on FC just BoP and watch those rogues fml, not too hard really.



Mages are a little bit harder, but still not too bad unless you're playing a BTB group and they have like 3 of them on O.



But yeah, crit is superior, and thats about all there is to it.

 

[Johnnyfirs]

Wow I'm really confused what to gear like now oO But since im ally and not planning on changing im just gonna mix some of the gear..

for example im taking spidersilk boots over mail eagle since i almost get the double stats, but if there only like 1-2 stat different I will take the mail gear.

 

[Hurrx]

Here you go, took me half a minute;



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