How to beat hunters and rogues as HPal

Tiger

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Since these are the two most complained about classes, I decided to make a thread about how to beat them playing as a holy paladin.

Hunters:

You have to start the fight with bubble. This achieves two things: it clears any concussive shots and it lets you use lay on hands later on if needed. Hopefully you have bubble macro'd with swift pot too. Next you HoJ the hunter and start casting denounce. If he doesn't trinket, cancel bubble aura for the extra damage. If he trinkets, you still get three free denounces and the debuff. Your next goal is to survive for a minute with flash of light and instant heals until you can HoJ again. You generally get the kill on the second HoJ if he trinkets the first one. If he didn't trinket the first HoJ he will definitely trinket the second one in which case you have to live for another minute, which is quite possible if you have lay on hands or AGM or you stam stacked. If he is running moth and isn't a retard you lose unless you somehow find LoS and kill the moth.

Rogues:

This is a really easy match up. I am going to go with worst case scenario and assume you have no bubble, trinket and no holy power charges. When you get sapped, the only thing you need to worry about is HoJ'ing the rogue, holy shocking yourself and not freaking out. With one holy shock you are already at a 20% boost. The rogue WILL trinket or he loses. All you need to do is turn, go through the rogue and cleanse. At this point you are just kiting the rogue with holy shock, judgement and reckoning. Unless he speed pots you win. If he speed pots to you, eat some damage and keep your speed buff until you can cleanse through him again. The only reason Hpals lose to rogues is they get kicked when they try to flash of light or denounce when you don't need either of those things to win.

Hopefully that helped some people, I can do more match ups if you guys want but I feel like those two are the ones people really have trouble with.
 
Lol what? u need bubble to kill rog or hunter? just spam deno. holy shock with mix of flash light do the rest..
dispell - trinket - no one near you 1 2 3
 
Yeah , thats a great idea , but i wouldnt use a bubble JUST TO DEFEAT A HUNTER , i would use it if im near efc and im dying/or efc's dying and theyre attacking me too. And another tip as a hpal. Do not directly use Holy Shock when you get near efc, i suggest you to use Holy Shock when hes low while you are casting FoL !
Etc etc etc.
 
SPQR said:
Lol what? u need bubble to kill rog or hunter? just spam deno. holy shock with mix of flash light do the rest..
dispell - trinket - no one near you 1 2 3
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If you don't bubble you're going to get kited for days. Can't cleanse a concussive my dude. If you spam denounce against a rogue you die to a kick.

@lenny: this is pure match ups, not whether it is optimal to use bubble or not in a bg situation.
 
The point was to illustrate how to solo those classes, not whether or not it is optimal to do so xD If that was the case then every match up would be use insta heals and run to your team haha
 
Where do i even start.

so you would use a 5 min CD/pot (and possibly 10 Minute CD LoH) on his 6 second CD( not counting crocolisk pets if he has one but who the fuuk uses those). Heck he could stun you when ur trying to escape.

-Problem with stamina stacked Hpal-you dont do enough damage to burst him.(what if you LoS and he does too and uses a bandage and a pots-there goes your strongest CD/pot CD.



There is nowhere to LoS-stuff goes through trees.

The best part-use a bubble, cancelaura it and then watch him put you in a ''perma concussion shot'' and wait until 1 more hunter arrives. Ahahhahahaha.

Ppl call idiotic, but i think i outlined it here

http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43/guide-f2p-pvp-56975/index2.html

Speed of light solves like 40% of your rogue/hunter problems. It isnt on a GCD and you dont waste a pot CD , If you are gonna bubble, at least...you know try to run to your team. Heck every high rated hpal( glad/arena master, whatever) ive talked and played with runs Speed of Light. Ppl run it even at high level and there are alot more dispels out there. At 20 there's only purge to worry about.

I cant believe all u nerds would pass such a strong defensive CD.

Also dealing with hutners you either come with a peeler or you dont.

And dont fight hunters 1vs1. I dont give a shit if you are a wow pro, glad, whatever , hunters will shit on you 1vs1 regardless unless you are a druid or a hunter yourself ( both can escape conc shot)
 
Tiger said:
If you don't bubble you're going to get kited for days. Can't cleanse a concussive my dude. If you spam denounce against a rogue you die to a kick.
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Die in a kick? Trying run away from hunter?
Without agms just with lfh u get around 2.1k on hpally.
most hunters got like 1.8k, deno crit for 400.
Sure if pally got 1.5k and stupid nuff not to macro shock on himself on a separate key (if no healbot) then he dies to a kick..
To be honest i changed to ret just due to fact that i could survive against fully enchanted 24 rogs, without bubble.
Mana pool still retarded.
 
inoobupro said:
Where do i even start.

so you would use a 5 min CD/pot (and possibly 10 Minute CD LoH) on his 6 second CD( not counting crocolisk pets if he has one but who the fuuk uses those). Heck he could stun you when ur trying to escape.

-Problem with stamina stacked Hpal-you dont do enough damage to burst him.(what if you LoS and he does too and uses a bandage and a pots-there goes your strongest CD/pot CD.



There is nowhere to LoS-stuff goes through trees.

The best part-use a bubble, cancelaura it and then watch him put you in a ''perma concussion shot'' and wait until 1 more hunter arrives. Ahahhahahaha.

Ppl call idiotic, but i think i outlined it here

http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43/guide-f2p-pvp-56975/index2.html

Speed of light solves like 40% of your rogue/hunter problems. It isnt on a GCD and you dont waste a pot CD , If you are gonna bubble, at least...you know try to run to your team. Heck every high rated hpal( glad/arena master, whatever) ive talked and played with runs Speed of Light. Ppl run it even at high level and there are alot more dispels out there. At 20 there's only purge to worry about.

I cant believe all u nerds would pass such a strong defensive CD.

Also dealing with hutners you either come with a peeler or you dont.

And dont fight hunters 1vs1. I dont give a shit if you are a wow pro, glad, whatever , hunters will shit on you 1vs1 regardless unless you are a druid or a hunter yourself ( both can escape conc shot)
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1. Speed of light sucks at f2p. People run it at 90 because you get feared to Africa with pursuit of justice and because it's an on demand boost.
2. You bubble to guarantee the HoJ or you're going to get kited by the hunter
3. If you SoL away from a rogue you get sapped and opened on 15 secs later and this time you just lose because you don't have passive speed boosts
 
Hpallies don't need to cast against rogues, your chance of dying to a non blood elf rogue is close to 0

against a hunter, just rotate denounce and your healing abilities and they should die eventually without too much trouble. Remember to dispel serpent sting whenever possible

If said rogue or hunter were 24, just accept your fate
 
SPQR said:
Die in a kick? Trying run away from hunter?
Without agms just with lfh u get around 2.1k on hpally.
most hunters got like 1.8k, deno crit for 400.
Sure if pally got 1.5k and stupid nuff not to macro shock on himself on a separate key (if no healbot) then he dies to a kick..
To be honest i changed to ret just due to fact that i could survive against fully enchanted 24 rogs, without bubble.
Mana pool still retarded.
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Lmao if you get opened on by a 24 rogue as ret you just die. You're at 1.2k health as an HPal after the evis so if you try and flash of light you die as well.
[MENTION=8592]Brov[/MENTION]: yeah that generally works against bad hunters but the good ones range your denounce so you need HoJ
 
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Denounce - Spell - World of Warcraft 30 YD

Concussive Shot - Spell - World of Warcraft 40 YD

how u get double AGMS with CRZ leaves me baffled and why would you run with double AGM( made sense in cata cuz 5 min trinket) nowadays is even more questionable

I see..you may be right , your view as an eyepatched alliance player, horde hunters do have 1.8k with LFH hat ( or 1.4k usually because they have no helmets and have to use the stupid hit shoulders.

And have to give up a profession for engineering to get hitcapped and like 15% crit in comparison to night elf with 20% crit and human with double agm 2k healthpools (eyepatch +aulwyns hello) with possiblity of 14 more agility off the elixir which horde cant get because you need engineering.

So considerably alliance hunters hit for more damage, you are right you may survive horde hunters. Apologies i was coming from a horde standpoint.

And fine i'll agree..im in no position to tell anyone how to play hpal, i play a mediocre spriest and an even more average hpal, isee your point if you have an eyepatch for that extra 140 HP and armor you can survive 1vs1..i cant believe how many times ive been popped by something that did me in with -100HP.. on a horde hpal


also free2pali what happened here

Where are all these intricate hunters strats..tell me more

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i didnt see you try ''the bubble'hammer combo'' you tried to hide LOL
 
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inoobupro said:
Denounce - Spell - World of Warcraft 30 YD

Concussive Shot - Spell - World of Warcraft 40 YD

how u get double AGMS with CRZ leaves me baffled and why would you run with double AGM( made sense in cata cuz 5 min trinket) nowadays is even more questionable

I see..you may be right , your view as an eyepatched alliance player, horde hunters do have 1.8k with LFH hat ( or 1.4k usually because they have no helmets and have to use the stupid hit shoulders.

And have to give up a profession for engineering to get hitcapped and like 15% crit in comparison to night elf with 20% crit and human with double agm 2k healthpools (eyepatch +aulwyns hello) with possiblity of 14 more agility off the elixir which horde cant get because you need engineering.

So considerably alliance hunters hit for more damage, you are right you may survive horde hunters. Apologies i was coming from a horde standpoint.

And fine i'll agree..im in no position to tell anyone how to play hpal, i play a mediocre spriest and an even more average hpal, isee your point if you have an eyepatch for that extra 140 HP and armor you can survive 1vs1..i cant believe how many times ive been popped by something that did me in with -100HP.. on a horde hpal


also free2pali what happened here

Where are all these intricate hunters strats..tell me more

SokXcyT.jpg


6JiDIMk.jpg


i didnt see you try ''the bubble'hammer combo'' you tried to hide LOL
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Target of target FTW
 
Sabzep said:
Maybe someone can give me some tips so i can beat a slightly less awful hunter.
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Pet gonna solo you.
As arcane use Arcane Blast until he low on hp the finish with Arcane Barrage
But unless u roll in pack - just run away.

Tiger said:
Lmao if you get opened own by a 24 rogue as ret you just die.
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Spoke of being holy. ret got nutteng.
 
thing is Survival has crazy criticals. I remember me getting 5 350+ shots in a row, literally Oneshoting the player..... arc, arc, explosive, arc, arc...........
 
Oneshot20 said:
thing is Survival has crazy criticals. I remember me getting 5 350+ shots in a row, literally Oneshoting the player..... arc, arc, explosive, arc, arc...........
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Stam stacking Hpals have 2.6-2.8k hp and denounce debuff makes it so that you can't crit. It's very unlikely that you global a pally.
 
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