WoD ilvl scalling thoughts?

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  1. toskosa

    toskosa Member

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    Seems like blizzard is considering going back to the wod ilvl scalling method for instanced pvp.

    "They talked about PvP relative Item Level for PvP Gear (similar to what we had back in WoD). The idea they are discussing is shifting back from how PvP gear worked back then, when there were 2 item levels, so gear went up to Item Level 232 in PvP, making it the best to wear in PvP scenarios"

    Do you guys think they will apply this to only max level? or go all in wod style and have it affect every level? if so what do you guys think the ilvl scael up will be for each bracket? 20 for example might be 34-35 if they scale up ilvl to be that of blues. What about our humble ilvl 49 relics?

    Thoughts? Good bad? ugly?
     
  2. Warglave

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    The sub-cap item scaling PvP was the MOST awesome time for tinkering, tho it was pretty unbalanced. But being able to actually use Thunderfury or Shadowmourne and have it be appropriate level for like level 99 was really cool and fun.

    But that also means a complete re-gear for new scaling rewards, many of which wont be available for established 20 twinks because those quests are already complete... and I dont wish that on anyone @20. But it wouldnt break my heart. ;)

    If that's not really what you're talking about and it's just the templates, then that was kinda meh.
     
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    No I am talking about wods system of a piece of gear scalling up ( example a lvl 10 cape scalling to lvl 29 ilvl 35 in a 20-29bg) I really liked the system just for lvling through pvp, I could make a set within the first 10-15 levels and just use it forever whichw as nice. Just curious as to what other people think about this sytem coming back ( if it even does for all brackets)
     
  4. Warglave

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    Yeah, that's the part I loved but more at higher levels for the great items you could use. I dont remember much how it affected 20's cuz it's such a low range to begin with, but i certainly enjoyed it while it lasted. I'd love to do it again.

    I think with the relic of the past crafting it would be unlikely that they would implement at lower levels tho, as they kinda cancel each other out in terms of value... but it's only sub-cap PvP and they never cared about it anyway. Maybe they will. ;)
     
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    20 pvp and gear is in a good place. I personally Wouldn’t want to see any massive changes.

    WOD item scaling was a fun and different time. I remember having items specifically for world pvp versus instance pvp. Wonky and unbalanced scaling forced you to research a lot of options to find the best.

    With the amount of items available to 20s currently. That would be a long list, and likely it would favor one specific xpac.

    I would never ever again wish for legion templates at low level. Sorry ohti. Gear supremacy is what makes this game fun (for me)
     
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    It was real shitty and I hope they dont do it to lower levels. Having to go search up some fucking weak ass lvl 5 green bracers or something because its scaling was busted to the point that it was bis when it scaled up to level. It was awful. I hate every bit of logging onto a twink and seeing it in quest gear from 5 levels ago. It felt bad and it worked poorly.

    on the bright side, people would probably stop whining about ilvl49s :)
     
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    Andre Meme Jedi Moderator 20s Coordinator

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    lvl 10 farmers to grind ilvl 5s inc!
     
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    Plot twist... level 1 relics are new broken BiS. :eek:

    (wait... do they even go that low?)
     
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    INteresting thoughts, I personally wouldn't want to go back to legions template system though. I also don't see the wod system being that bad either...honestly even if they went back to template I would still play because fun and all.
     
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    The dumbest thing about the template system was buying those grey rings and neck to get a higher ilvl.

    I think the bulk of 20's would hate it simply due to losing their advantage over levelers... I mean look at the people crying over ilvl 49 items, saying how "it's ruins the balance of the bracket" when they're just as advantaged over most levelers.

    The templates were attempt at total balance, and pretty sure it's common feeling that it sucked. So much for balance.

    And... i also dont remember a single good thing about it. I dont think blizz will change it up tho, they just dont care.

    edit- I remembered one.
     
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    I remember my 49 warriors rend hitting like a truck though and that was pretty funny. Speaking of my old 49 warrior I was checking some stuff on the ptr and he still has the white items used back then in the bank. What a time to be alive when white quality items were bis.
     
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    This is why templates are great.
     
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    They let us all back into every bracket too.

    Then they got rid of templates... and subsequently got rid of us. Again. :rolleyes:
     
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    Hold on glaive they got rid of us after like 3-4 months ty very much.
     
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    Absolutely! I would take merged and templated queues over separated queues 11 times out of 10.
     
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    Templates werent a terrible idea. It just nukes goofy stuff and weirdo builds which is less than ideal. But it wasnt a terrible idea. Just kind of a goofy execution, what with the white rings and all. and I feel like I remember twinks shining just fine.

    That said, I like where 20s are at and hope there arent any huge changes. Everything feels about right.
     
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    Yeah, but do you remember the blue post why queues were separated again? Something to the effect that since templates were gone it "didnt make sense" to have locked XP in with normal and it was a "mistake" that was fixed the next patch.

    I remember it pretty well cuz some of us had just grinded a month of WoD gear for 99 since enchants were getting grandfathered in the new patch, and on patch day suddenly locked XP queues were "broken"... and poof we were seperate again.

    I swore up and down there was NO WAY they could be so shitty as to do it with no notice, must be a glitch..... newp.

    Nothing in the patch notes, nothing on the forums, just tossed locked XP back into it's own playground. Again. :rolleyes:

    edit- here's one, didnt take as long as i thought to find:
    https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/xp-off-queue-times-are-longer-than-xp-on/34955/3

    And the tweet... I cant find anything saying the mistake part yet tho, so grain of (my) salt there.
    https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/status/1105891459922833408
     
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    toskosa

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    I remember arguing with jwl on the blizzard bg forums about separating xpon/off before they went and did it. Yeah I know they just turned it off without saying anything and honestly I saw it coming although I kinda wished they didn't. Not that it really matter now anyway the 60 bracket is now the 20 bracket.
    haha I figured they would at least say something as well but they didnt because why inform your playerbase on what you are doing.
    I am also pretty happy about where things are atm and I am just curious to see what everyone else thinks about wod style scalling that may or may not be a thing soon tm.
     
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