Which side needs more? Or are they close?

[YouMayBeSeated]

Tbh neither side needs help… but both sides play inconsistently. You’ll have days where Horde plays premades and Ally doesn’t, days where Ally play premades and Horde doesn’t, it’s really not a fun bracket right now. Like 1-10 games is competitive. It’s typically one sided every game and not fun no matter which side you’re on. I went 42-0 in a BG and didn’t have fun at all.

I will say, if you play a healer, Horde healers are lacking. Ally almost always has 2-4 healers every game and when they run premades Ally healers tend to sweat more with potions and other shit they waste gold on. I hope the bracket gains people on both sides for some consistency. That’s all the bracket needs right now is consistent people who are equally geared or at least reasonably close.

 

[JadeFire]

Premades are just at the heart of the issue and will always be... if you are queing Arcane with heals into an unknown group you are just a fuck-wipe. There are not enough people for that to work. And the 29 twink group as a whole is small enough, everybody knows who is trash and just a pocket clown.

People are just leaving the games as soon as they see its just pockets on trash... just stop that and it will be fine.

You honestly have the same dumb shit horde and the dumb shit alliance premades and they are 100% entering into games where the other side leaves and there is no game... you don't get to play you get to do nothing but 4 cap or go 1500/0 on resources and kill maybe 1 person.... these 50IQ people are are the problem, not blizzard.

 

[chelly]

The premaders and specifically meta premaders ended this bracket. Face it.

Any levelers or blizz thinking the issue was lv 20 f2p/vets are just missing the problem entirely.

this mentality is a poison deeply rooted into wow and gaming in general now

 

[Quarrall]

So I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring because I've only started twinking AFTER the bracket merge (on a vet account-what a time to join lmao). According to my stats I've played roughly 100 games, and only won 37. Mind you, this might be partially because I play solo as a 20 and have only recently gotten gems ect. I play alliance on NA.

I play at almost any given time between 10am-midngiht cst, because I've been on summer break for most of this, but tend towards peak gamer hours just by nature. I would personally attest that horde is stronger, they have more 29 hunters/warriors/dps who sweep house. Its not by a large margin to be clear. We as alliance have more healers for sure. In the end, as everyone else has said, it really just depends whose on. I've had games where we hold 4/5 objectives the entire game, and games where I've left the graveyard twice. On occasion there are also those great games, which keep you playing.
Tl;dr, I think horde is stronger (but alliance has more heals) but it really comes down to which players are on, and in your lobby. It's really close to being even, but usually not in any one given game.

 

[Freriks]

So I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring because I've only started twinking AFTER the bracket merge (on a vet account-what a time to join lmao). According to my stats I've played roughly 100 games, and only won 37. Mind you, this might be partially because I play solo as a 20 and have only recently gotten gems ect. I play alliance on NA.

I play at almost any given time between 10am-midngiht cst, because I've been on summer break for most of this, but tend towards peak gamer hours just by nature. I would personally attest that horde is stronger, they have more 29 hunters/warriors/dps who sweep house. Its not by a large margin to be clear. We as alliance have more healers for sure. In the end, as everyone else has said, it really just depends whose on. I've had games where we hold 4/5 objectives the entire game, and games where I've left the graveyard twice. On occasion there are also those great games, which keep you playing.
Tl;dr, I think horde is stronger (but alliance has more heals) but it really comes down to which players are on, and in your lobby. It's really close to being even, but usually not in any one given game.

I just started recently and horde have been getting GY camped every single game. I’ve been playing at different times and it’s always the same result.
However; I don’t know about the alliance but I’ve notice a lot more poorly geared horde with under 2500k or 2000k health that obviously just get 2 shot.

 

[Quarrall]

I just started recently and horde have been getting GY camped every single game. I’ve been playing at different times and it’s always the same result.

Wow that hasn't been my experience at all in NA. I just won and lost a game, both fairly close. Was losing to horde mostly last night, but was crushing them a couple days before.

 

[JadeFire]

If the imbalance was not even worse than it was at 20s it would be ok. But I mean you can be a BAD survival and kick out 300k + now with 40 kills. I've seen some affliction locks get up there around 300k, but their kill count is not 40 its like 10. (and always for forum retards, 1 example is not a rule its an exception).

the Non S tier melee you can play your heart out and do maybe 100k with full pockets.

Can you just smoke a Survival with full cool downs, sure... but they still do 1200 every time the press a button and they have multiple DOTs... you do like 500 on average... and any ability that you do have that can CRIT on 1k plus is not on a spamable cool down.

 

[JadeFire]

EDIT, I think the hardest part about playing the horde is having to listen to Supacow bitch about the game when he does not understand when he is facing a full alliance hunter meta premade and expects the horde DKs and Ret paladins to carry him.

But, its also the best part.


Alliance meta trash is the problem... please stop making other shit up, that just removes focus from the actual issue.

 

[Kracks]

EDIT, I think the hardest part about playing the horde is having to listen to Supacow bitch about the game when he does not understand when he is facing a full alliance hunter meta premade and expects the horde DKs and Ret paladins to carry him.

But, its also the best part.


Alliance meta trash is the problem... please stop making other shit up, that just removes focus from the actual issue.

maybe horde dks just don’t know how to play

 

[JadeFire]

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maybe horde dks just don’t know how to play

Sure, show me a screen shot on your horde DK when you are facing a premade with 3 survivals and 2 priests not some rando trash horde mash up... won't look like that screen shot... and you know it... you'll be at the bottom of that chart with a Growler's Intimidation sticking out of your ass. Next time just post a damage check of your DK hitting a training dummy... same exact thing.

 

[Kracks]

Sure, show me a screen shot on your horde DK when you are facing a premade with 3 survivals and 2 priests not some rando trash horde mash up... won't look like that screen shot... and you know it... you'll be at the bottom of that chart with a Growler's Intimidation sticking out of your ass. Next time just post a damage check of your DK hitting a training dummy... same exact thing.

Horde was all 29s that game lol ur just bad

 

[JadeFire]

Horde was all 29s that game lol ur just bad

As I said, just go hit a training dummy and post that damage check, same thing as that game. Stop posting irrelevant shit.

If you had hunters on your team you would have had half that dps and half the kills *maybe* since they would have done all the work before you could... or if the horde had hunters on that were not trash you would be in the yard.

We all know that you are above average, but saying stupid shit does not help.

 

[Kracks]

@JadeFire are you adaptordie?

 

[JadeFire]

@JadeFire are you adaptordie?

I only have a 29 Ret Bloodangel, that I can barely stand to play, just about half ass geared.

This is about 99% of my horde interaction... could be the time of day I que, etc. But this is basically it... we had a fucking dude on the team wearing the expeditionary gear in this game.

 

[Kracks]

I only have a 29 Ret Bloodangel, that I can barely stand to play, just about half ass geared.

This is about 99% of my horde interaction... could be the time of day I que, etc. But this is basically it... we had a fucking dude on the team wearing the expeditionary gear in this game.

So you’re saying you aren’t the dk adaptordie?
[doublepost=1665168353,1665168109][/doublepost]And do you think the reason you might be losing all the time is because of your skill level rather than classes and specs?

 

[JadeFire]

So you’re saying you aren’t the dk adaptordie?
[doublepost=1665168353,1665168109][/doublepost]And do you think the reason you might be losing all the time is because of your skill level rather than classes and specs?

You always post like you have a secret trap card .

I think that you just ignoring that screen shot and any other facts like it is your core problem and why most of your comments are disjointed from reality (alliance premade and your addiction to stier not withstanding).

I'm sure you would have just farmed the 3 hunters and the monk on your Ret and I guess just did not have the skill to do it. I should have pepped talked the 4 guys on our team wearing leveling greens harder and that would have just ramped that game up.

I can't play at night much... maybe that is when the horde is popping off... looks to be when you are able to heal on your little priest when you have horde to play with that are not wearing leveling gear... guess I'm just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Kracks]

You always post like you have a secret trap card .

I think that you just ignoring that screen shot and any other facts like it is your core problem and why most of your comments are disjointed from reality (alliance premade and your addiction to stier not withstanding).

I'm sure you would have just farmed the 3 hunters and the monk on your Ret and I guess just did not have the skill to do it. I should have pepped talked the 4 guys on our team wearing leveling greens harder and that would have just ramped that game up.

I can't play at night much... maybe that is when the horde is popping off... looks to be when you are able to heal on your little priest when you have horde to play with that are not wearing leveling gear... guess I'm just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

U just don’t play well dude and it seems to me like you’re stuck in some delusion that you’re skill capped and that’s the reason why you can’t get better

 

[JadeFire]

U just don’t play well dude and it seems to me like you’re stuck in some delusion that you’re skill capped and that’s the reason why you can’t get better

I am not great at this game. I've said that many times. You seem to put yourself pretty high up there, but I've seen you bumble fuck around, get smoked, and yell at your team many times, so let's not act like this is world championships.

But again, just claiming that you can turn around any game with your "skill" is just bullshit and you know it... and quite frankly its just stupid to make those comments. I would not put it past you to be that egotistical/stupid... but, I don't think you actually believe that.

 

[Kracks]

I am not great at this game. I've said that many times. You seem to put yourself pretty high up there, but I've seen you bumble fuck around, get smoked, and yell at your team many times, so let's not act like this is world championships.

But again, just claiming that you can turn around any game with your "skill" is just bullshit and you know it... and quite frankly its just stupid to make those comments. I would not put it past you to be that egotistical/stupid... but, I don't think you actually believe that.

[doublepost=1665173532,1665173500][/doublepost]2 29s with no heals vs 5 or 6 with heals what’s ur excuse now lmao

 

[JadeFire]

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I knew you were in that game You gonna comment how I joined after there were 2 caps and 2 minutes left... or you just gonna leave that out... you clown