EU+US When do you draw the line?

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  1. Gmac

    Gmac Catgod

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    So, I'm on my third kick at the cat for an epic discontinuer's hammer right now (which I realize is not a crazy number) and I'm already a little salty. This time I'm going to give farming a bunch of quests that give no item rewards a try prior to turning in the hammer quest, but I'm very skeptical about this whole theory. But, judging by some of the armories I've seen, there has got to be some science to it. I see the potential of this system, and have been twinking since BC, so I understand what a couple stats here and there are to a twink, especially at 20. But it's just so unforgiving a system. I really don't want to spend all the time I have to play wow, leveling the same class to 20 over and over lol.

    Just looking for some more insight to how people feel about the rng system and what's worked for you.

    So ,

    1. Have you, and if yes, decided at some point "fuck it, blues good enough"?

    2. What has anyone observed in their travels with regards to increasing your chance of an upgrade? (I.e. keeping quest logged for awhile prior to turn in, "filler quests" (no reward), ect.)

    3. Lastly, have you, thrown your keyboard through the window, after looking at some of these rnjesus's armories?

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  2. Chops

    Chops Soccer Dad

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    1) weapons will make the biggest difference. If you don't have a farmable weapon available, reroll until you get one. It's not that bad. Put on Netflix and go for it.

    2) there's not. Rng is rng. Had someone in the guild get back to back epics and then a third in less than an hour. On the other hand I'm three zones of quests in on a toon without even a blue upgrade.

    3) no. Have patience.
     
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  3. ohti

    ohti 20 Coordinator 20-29

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    1.) Yes almost every single time. I dont even recommend rerolling unless it's for melee weapons.

    2.) There is literally no way of increasing the chances and if you believe staggering quest hand ins increases the chances you're dense. It's the same idea as titanforging at end game. Complete rng.

    3.) Not rly

    Some final notes: Epics are quite overrated. In your case I HIGHLY ADVISE against rerolling considering you dont have any allied races. It's just not worth the effort you'll pull your weight just fine in blues and greens. The only thing I would reroll for is melee weps for rogues, enh shams, ww monks, ret pals, and warrs. Even then, all of these specs have their own boe purple they can farm out or buy.

    Dont bother rerolling just q and have fun
     
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  4. Sploofin

    Sploofin Member

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    1. Nope. I don't really mind the rerolls, but I do have allied races. I usually just put some stand up on in the background, or listen to an audio book and zone out. Rerolled my hunter 43 times, no regrets. Only went after a weapon, though.

    2. Just think it's totally random. I procced 3 epics in 4 turn ins in stonetalon. all three were totally useless, and the one that didn't proc woulda been a best in slot belt.

    3. Nah, but on a somewhat related note: I showed a friend where the mob for feathered headdress is, mob wasn't up so I switched chars. popped right after that, friend killed it without telling me the mob was up, looted epic headdress on his first try. took me 120+ to get mine. gooood times.
     
  5. Sanit

    Sanit Banned

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    Took me 15-20 rerolled shaman before I gave up and built my ally shaman.

    Another 5ish tries and I got one on the shitbag horde shaman I considered making (and gave up on). rip
     
  6. Kaxle

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    Here's my usual approach for rerolls:
    1. Reroll 3-4 times until I get frustrated
    2. Take one as what I'll just play "in the meantime" while I reroll for the epic in my downtime (hopefully a blue upgrade)
    3. Reroll fairly regularly when I don't feel like BGing
    4. Get emotionally attached to "in the meantime" character
    5. Stop rerolling

    But like everyone else has said it really only makes a big difference for melee weapons and most of those have alternatives you can farm/buy. Only one that kinda gets screwed over are enhance sham since they cant use Pale Skinner but if you don't mind losing out on like 4 agi you can always use the Petrified Shinbone
     
  7. Oldpunk

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    I got given 3 days free gametime by Blizz out of the blue a couple of weeks ago. So I enchanted and equipped all the random epics I've been getting from quests. Went back into BGs afterwards expecting to notice a significant difference.

    ...nope. No discernible difference.
    (I don't have a dmg meter running atm, so there may in fact be a difference, but it's not enough to notice during gameplay).
     
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  8. icehawk

    icehawk The Beast Within

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    I’m blue for life on my main.
    No re-rolls for me.
    I don’t want to park up my main twink for some newbie twink with a flash, shiny new weapon.
    My weapons may be blue, but they still bust open Horde heads in bg’s :D
    But I must say, I do feel the sting from time to time from purple twinks. Those that are heavily purple and chanted up, do hurt :eek:
     
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  9. Chops

    Chops Soccer Dad

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    Yea, I think it's important to highlight and stress that outside of a handful of epics (most of them farmable) that it's really not gonna matter @Gmac

    For instance, I have two F2P resto shaman. One got quite lucky on a few choice epics. One has no epics. They really feel the same to play. To your specific gear point... the blue adaptable mace from BG crates is as good as discontinuers hammer. Like, honestly, the 1-2 extra int aint gonna make a difference when you have 195 int. People arent gonna die in BGs because your heals didnt have that extra 2-3 points.

    That said, I rerolled... I think 20-ish times for my hammer? I made a game of it. Started trying to do speed runs from load in to quest reward. That was actually alot of fun.
     
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  10. sevenohseven

    sevenohseven objectives or gtfo

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    Chops Soccer Dad

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    Spicy
     
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  12. tence

    tence Grandfathered

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    I thought the point of pvp was to sit mid and compare sizes.... I mean epics.
     
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  13. ohti

    ohti 20 Coordinator 20-29

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    no
     
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    Gmac

    Gmac Catgod

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    I'm on attempt 5 now, I know if I give up on the weapon it would only drive me crazy and I wouldn't really enjoy playing the character anyway, so I'm going to keep going until I at least get an epic discontinuer's.

    I've got a like 26 days on my account left before I can even enter a BG on these toons, so I've got the time.

    I'm a firm believer in RNG is RNG and looking at it from a logical stand point, but I've also always felt some of my characters had much better "luck" than others, like there is some hidden statistic affecting a characters luck that blizz would never admit.
    By looking at some of these characters armories, its very had to believe they got all the right rolls in all the right places.
     
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  15. Miles

    Miles 546-0 Undefeated Arena Champion

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    If you play classic you won't have this issue.
     
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  16. Chops

    Chops Soccer Dad

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    I'm like 90% certain this is the case. I have toons that are just rolling in epics and rare gear that I got without having to farm.

    And then I've got toons that have done every quest available and have like 1 awful epic and that's it.

    Absolutely convinced there's a "loot luck" stat.
     
  17. Takticz

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    Do not worry too much ... In my opinion, blue items are enough to have a lot of fun.
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    To build a good veteran, check out the areas for Chars LvL 10-60 or 15-60 @ https://de.wowhead.com/zones. You can sort by item there. Looking for items that in addition to stamina and the mainstat have more stats, the best versa ... and keep an eye on the respective prequest, it's no fun to make 6 or 8 prequest again and again.
    Also keep an eye on whether there are alternatives that can be bought in the AH. For a warrior, it makes less sense to hunt a weapon if you can easily farm or buy the pacifier after all.
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    The difference between a char with 5 or 6 epics and a full blue char is often only 5% mainstats, so maybe 10 agility or 12 int ... sometimes less.
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    It is also interesting that many players equip their chars very well and invest a lot of time and gold, but after 12 months they have only 400 honorable kills, that means they only played 7, 8 or 9 BGs ... maybe the fun is to have the most agility and not to play BGs with this toon.
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    If you want to have fun in the BG, find a good item on wowhead.com, get that, get the rest items in the AH and dungeons and invest more time in finding a good guild and good teammates ... that would be my way.
     
  18. Chops

    Chops Soccer Dad

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    Swag > HKs
     
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    Takticz Member

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    Maybe you are trying to get this item ...
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    Only a few prequest, maybe not BiS, but good enough.
     
  20. Oldpunk

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    I haven't rerolled once.

    There seem to be a variety of ways people get their satisfaction out of twinks. Some find the perfecting process itself the most satisfying. Those would include the beautifully twinked chars with not much BG action that Tacticz mentions above.
    Others go crazy for HKs and get their satisfaction from appearing on list of "top 10 most HKs ever" type-lists. Or topping meters, or being great at jumps, or being great at item swapping etc, or knowing all the legal glitches etc.

    Myself, I get my satisfaction from doing a good job without trying very hard.
    So I put in a bit of effort, but never toooo much. That would kill my enjoyment of being awesome, because if you work at being awesome, in my (possibly not-quite-normal) thinking, it negates the awesomeness! :cool:

    Strolling into a BG in blues and slightly sub-optimum gear and mediocre trinkets and kicking butts all over the place is very satisfying.

    Having said that, I have twinked out a couple of my chars pretty nicely, but only in easily-obtainable gear/enchants and random quest epics.

    Ikr, but someone is gonna get lucky. Stop torturing yourself by looking at their armories!
     
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