We were all noobs once, too.

[Gulbon]

So, guys. This can apply to nearly every bracket or any playstyle in the game but I think here is the best area to post it considering I see it in this bracket's BGs the most.

We all had a starting point in WoW, obviously. We didn't just pop into WoW with full gear and skill, obviously. We were nooblets, running around as cloth warriors and agility ele shamans, not knowing where to go, what to gear, what to do, and so on. Why did we get better? We all worked to get better, but we most importantly... had help. Now, I'm not saying help doesn't exist, but it's rarer to come across now. WoW's been becoming clique-ish. A lot of WoW players today choose to stay with the friends they've known for years and will rarely let new friends into the gang. Is that the case all the time? Not at all. Is it the case mostly? Obviously. Clique's aren't bad things. In fact, they're great things.

The problem is, these new players themselves who have just joined the game, more often than not, join alone. No in game friends and barely any knowledge. Some of these newbies are new to the MMORPG scene in general, just not WoW. They have no idea what the heck they are doing, and as the veterans usually play with other good players, it's hard to remember that we were once new like them. We treat the new players like bad players. There's a difference, mind you all. A noob player is a person relatively new to the game. A bad player is a player who plays poorly and doesn't want to get better and makes no effort whatsoever.

The reason why it's heavily relevant in this bracket (It can exist in other brackets though), is because... we're the trial account bracket. -Trial-. F2P is just slang (And there's nothing wrong with the slang, I prefer F2P too). Twinking wasn't even expected when Blizzard removed the time limit. Trial accounts' main purposes served as a way to introduce newer players to the game. And what are some of us doing? Scaring them off.

Now, I can sometimes have an elitist attitude. Elitism is perfectly fine, and sometimes necessary, but there's a point where elitism can reach a low. I used to be one of the guys who got mad at some newer and bad players years ago. I think we've all had moments like that. Earlier today, I've seen an extreme case of it. It's been happening for years, I know this. Earlier today, a person who was trying out World of Warcraft for the first time just reached 20 and tried to play the bracket. He entered as a 900 HP frost mage, didn't know how to chat in /BG and only spoke in /s. He didn't know much of how to play either. That's not the point. He seemed very friendly, and the majority of the people in the battleground, including some people on this forum who I will not name, so I don't cause a sh*tstorm, started ripping on him. At first he said in /s that he was trying his best. It went from the normal insults you throw at newbies to more extreme measures. People singling him out and even giving him death threats and telling him to kill himself. The guy started to seem upset, and before I could get the chance to speak to him to help him in terms of gearing (through whispers), the battleground ended.

I hopped on my p2p account, went onto his server to help him. He wasn't there. I tried adding him to my friendslist. The character doesn't exist. He deleted his character. He quit WoW, obviously. I was saddened since this was brutal. Usually, the normal ripping on a newer player isn't that bad or extreme. But this time it was the worst case I've seen in years. The guy was very upset and asked people to give him a chance. The guy didn't seem like he could take the insults any longer. Some of the harshest insults and verbal assaults I've seen on WoW occurred in that BG (Not the harshest I've seen on the internet, though.)

It made me think for a bit, and I remembered something very similar to this story. If you could take a chance, please read this. It sums up perfectly what's happening with this community, and I bet it applies to all of WoW's communities, even the different server regions.

This is another story about some guy who went through similar things to the guy I was talking about: Meanwhile in South Korea... - Forums - World of Warcraft

I'm sorry if this comes out as a QQ thread, but things need to be fixed with the community. We were all noobs once, please remember that. I normally let most wars against new players in BG chat slide since I'm an objective player who doesn't chat unless necessary in BGs, but the things that were said really surprised me, more surprising that some people on this very website joined in too.

Thanks for reading. Please click that link, it's the most important part of this topic.

 

[Kincaide]

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Wow, your writing style is eerily similar to mine.

Anyway, I agree with you, and here's a past thread where some of the same stuff had been mentioned before.

Now I'm going to go click on that link in your post.

 

[Goesid]

We were nooblets, running around as cloth warriors and agility ele shamans, not knowing where to go, what to gear.

When did you start playing because most items pre 60 werent really starting to get fixed until mid wotlk?
Cloth items with agility or strength was not rare and I am not talking items of the blablabla.



Normally I don't really have a problem with newer players more those that have played a long time and still say things like polymorph the druid.

 

[Oliks]

Personally i try to be as helpful to people as i can, explaining etc, as long as they show that they wanna learn and don't go jerkish at which point i just wush them off..
But to see a person, who is genuinely trying to enjoy the game as it is supposed to and is confused and receives no help really makes me feel bad, especially since wow might be a competitive nerdish game, and nerds have always been atleast to some degree (ofc some more than others) outcasts.. And then to go online to play a game and get hated on there, for no other reason than being bad.. That's just really sad and not even having anyone to lean on..

People might say "It's just a game" - which it is ofc, and should only be taken to some extend, but it is also something that we love to do, it being football, drinking with buds or WoW, doesn't really matter...

Anyway, that thread hit me right in the feels.

Normally I don't really have a problem with newer players more those that have played a long time and still say things like polymorph the druid.

You can polymorph a druid, just not while in form. - so your mistake

 

[SPQR]

Dude, go see a movie instead.

 

[Goesid]

You can polymorph a druid, just not while in form. - so your mistake

Well a team normally dont have more than 1 mage, keeping focus on that mage and when hes casting poly isnt rocket science.

 

[Publ1c3n3my]

Then maybe MMO's aren't his thing.

Here is another side of the story... as cruel as it sounds Im not going to sugarcoat anything. Here arises the problem...those new players ARE ruining my gameplay experience and in turn I don't have a choice but to ruin theirs.They grief me by having shitty gear? I grief you. I can't 1v5 someone as much as Id like to.

losing is never fun, don't give me that BS..just like IRL we all like to win. Of course in a certain time losing is ''fun'' but not when there are 4 useless teammates..If they are being reported afk and its to the point where they don't even understand what is going on then there is nothing wrong, they are still learning,.

Its reality....afking them just tells them the reality...that they will be having a bad experience in world of warcraft pvp(TM)

 

[Fujin0]

I read the whole thing (also the post on the official forums) and I do have to say, that I see a lot of people doing this and it grieves me to see stuff like this happen.

I truly think we all were noobs at some point, not only in WoW but in any game we've ever played, I mean, even something like Monopoly or Ludo, without someone telling you how to play (of course there's a manual, but you get the point) how will you be able to play? Just roll the dice and move the figures around? Same thing applies to WoW, if you start off, fresh and without any knowledge, you will do the exact same, move around, maybe click on 1 or 2 of your spells and then you may continue or not. Even worse if you enter a BG: you move around, maybe follow other people, click your 2 buttons and then you get roflpowned by someone who DOES 'know' how to play the game.

On the other side I also see the reason WHY it happens: Because there ARE a lot of players; ignorant, unable to listen or even worse, maybe they INTEND to make you lose the BG you're in. And these players should be the ones getting shunned, not the genuinely trying ones.

At the end of the day, WoW is just another game that attracts ANY variety of players, and remember, players are still people, and there's an unending number of different kinds of people as well and what does ∞ times ∞ equal? Yes, no answer possible.

 

[Fujin0]

Tl;dr - okay, I read it

I think you didn't read the thread title and you also didn't get what the thread is about.

You talk about a 'noob' ruining your gaming experience; think back, did you, at any given point, may have ruined someone else's gaming experience?

 

[Oliks]

Then maybe MMO's aren't his thing.

Here is another side of the story... as cruel as it sounds Im not going to sugarcoat anything. Here arises the problem...those new players ARE ruining my gameplay experience and in turn I don't have a choice but to ruin theirs.They grief me by having shitty gear? I grief you. I can't 1v5 someone as much as Id like to.

losing is never fun, don't give me that BS..just like IRL we all like to win. Of course in a certain time losing is ''fun'' but not when there are 4 useless teammates..If they are being reported afk and its to the point where they don't even understand what is going on then there is nothing wrong, they are still learning,.

Its reality....afking them just tells them the reality...that they will be having a bad experience in world of warcraft pvp(TM)

If you think they're ruining you gameplay, then do something about it. Shoving them away isn't going to help anyone, give them some help, be friendly and maybe guide them towards twinkinfo.com so that they can read up on some guides or something..
Again, if you truely is that great, then level to 90 where pvp is actually balanced (atleast compared to this) and do 3s or highrated rbg,


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[Publ1c3n3my]

I have ruined plenty of games with my playstyles and decisions but

Let me tell you my story I didn't have people holding my hand telling me what to equip.. First day I started playing WoW I got ganked (and no I am in no way bitter about I or pissed at the whole WoW populace that I must report every n00b afkt). I even remember my first paladin FULLY blue geared but I took hogger's shiny instead of eyepatch before I bgd.

My 2nd character a week later was already an eyepatcher with dual grandmaster trinkets before I even set foot into a battleground. I used websites and wowhead.Its that simple. You don't need a high school education or college diploma to read on WoWhead that agility increases hunter DPS and what gear to use.

This is a game were kids lead adults into battle, I don't understand what is so complicated, especially in this bracket.. you have five or six spells that you need to master...and that's IT. That's what my biggest gripes come from, you don't need to play perfectly but I expect some sort of competence and knowledge.

 

[Whatgoesup]

I have ruined plenty of games with my playstyles and decisions but

Let me tell you my story I didn't have people holding my hand telling me what to equip.. First day I started playing WoW I got ganked (and no I am in no way bitter about I or pissed at the whole WoW populace that I must report every n00b afkt). I even remember my first paladin FULLY blue geared but I took hogger's shiny instead of eyepatch before I bgd.

My 2nd character a week later was already an eyepatcher with dual grandmaster trinkets before I even set foot into a battleground. I used websites and wowhead.Its that simple. You don't need a high school education or college diploma to read on WoWhead that agility increases hunter DPS and what gear to use.

This is a game were kids lead adults into battle, I don't understand what is so complicated, especially in this bracket.. you have five or six spells that you need to master...and that's IT. That's what my biggest gripes come from, you don't need to play perfectly but I expect some sort of competence and knowledge.

You're an idiot

 

[Kincaide]

just like IRL we all like to win.

I don't know; for my RL, getting along with people is way more important than "winning". I'm not convinced it's even possible to "win" in RL. I'll leave it up to the individual to decide if they agree or not.

 

[Kincaide]

I have ruined plenty of games with my playstyles and decisions but

Let me tell you my story I didn't have people holding my hand telling me what to equip.. First day I started playing WoW I got ganked (and no I am in no way bitter about I or pissed at the whole WoW populace that I must report every n00b afkt). I even remember my first paladin FULLY blue geared but I took hogger's shiny instead of eyepatch before I bgd.

My 2nd character a week later was already an eyepatcher with dual grandmaster trinkets before I even set foot into a battleground. I used websites and wowhead.Its that simple. You don't need a high school education or college diploma to read on WoWhead that agility increases hunter DPS and what gear to use.

This is a game were kids lead adults into battle, I don't understand what is so complicated, especially in this bracket.. you have five or six spells that you need to master...and that's IT. That's what my biggest gripes come from, you don't need to play perfectly but I expect some sort of competence and knowledge.

Two questions spring from this story, for me...

1) Is F2P the only portion of WoW you've ever played?
2) Was WoW the first MMORPG you ever played? (If not, then the comparative example would be your experience in your FIRST MMO, not WoW.)

 

[Publ1c3n3my]

You're an idiot

At least Im not the one with a lvl 24 spriest in my signature.

 

[Gulbon]

At least Im not the one with a lvl 24 spriest in my signature.

Please stop trying to derail this topic. It's an important message and I don't want to see it deleted too soon. Causing a flamewar because new players are using trial accounts, an intended official way for new players to try out WoW, is just. No.

Bringing up your previous points is, this bracket wasn't intentionally a twink bracket. In fact, Blizzard doesn't like F2P twinking but said they won't do anything to get rid of it. Trial accounts were created for new people and we're just the guys who were clever enough to take advantage of trial accounts and use them to their full potential.

 

[Deadvulcano]

In 2011 I posted my first wow blog entry on TI, here is an excerpt from the end:

Everyone has their own story. My WoW story is summarized above. But “random” players are simply not known at all. The last toon you killed/yelled at/encouraged/belittled/etc is driven by someone with an entire life story up to that point, and a story that will continue after that point. All these interactions will vary in their impact, but the impact is made regardless. Its our niche style of gameplay that is on the line. Degrading each other does nothing productive to promote what has been a great journey for many of us. Where is the fresh blood? Where are the people sustaining the new players in their respective brackets? The forums are a very small part of it, but we often exclude people that may just be starting out. “Randoms” from other servers, people that have never heard of twinkinfo, etc.

I'm reminded of a discussion with another DM about building players. Its been awhile, but in general: If you beat a new player to within a inch of their life at the start of the game they will carry that with them for a very long time. They will be cautious and may completely miss activities altogether because of their first big encounter. BUT: if you let them explore and reward the risks you can build a stronger relationship where the player can help drive the game. Its not just the player though. That interaction paints their discussions with other potential players. What will they say to the fresh blood you haven't even seen yet? Those people that are now impacted by a lack of vision and may never come to enjoy the same things that we enjoy.

My time is practically done here. I had a good time and learned a lot. I hope the GuildWars 2 model will catch on and everyone will zone into pvp with equal and balanced gear. Realistically however, many people seem to just want to use their advantage by spending time/money to exploit other PEOPLE. Some individuals don't want to share information because then other people may enjoy the same benefits and an advantage is lost. This is my primary concern with GuildWars 2, can it attract enough people that care about a game that will strive for PvP balance? Or will the allure of exploiting advantages keep PvPers in WoW?

 

[Klinda]

This thread is going to go places.

 

[Phrontistery]

I agree with everything you said. It was very well written, however, I must say...
If I'm being honest, if he deleted his character and quit Warcraft because of anonymous people yelling at him - he isn't ready to face the harsh side of the online community. If we maybe got him in vent or even just party and talked him through it all, it would be good.

If new players are nice I like to help them, if they are from a Brazilian realm it is a little harder though :l

 

[sevenslacks7]

Seems like this is all based on a isolated incident.

Im elitist, but not because people are 'noobs' in wow or are even just plain bad at it... its because they seem to be clearly incompetent behind the curve people. Seems a bit over dramatic to delete a character just because people are being mean to you in 1 Battleground... and that isnt just something isolated to wow, people are cruel all the time that is just something he will need to get used to.

Since the guy 'just joined' he wouldn't have that much vested interest in the game regardless, so I doubt he/she would be shattered.