Tier list?

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  1. Hornfull

    Hornfull Member

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    Is there a tier list for the bracket pre SDL?
    I've been playing as a f2p and have some idea on what's strong/useless but wanted to know if more experienced players could help me out
     
  2. ohti

    ohti Member Moderator 20s Coordinator <TF>

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    Bracket kings: balance, resto druid, resto shaman, and ret (1v1s and arenas.)
    Top tier: MM, all healers, outlaw rogue, feral, survival, and arcane.
    Mid tier: pretty much everything else
    Bottom tier: tanks, sin / sub rogue, and enhance sham.
     
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  3. Chops

    Chops Soccer Dad Moderator

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    I'd pick BM out of the mid tier and just say all hunter specs are top tier but otherwise yea. That about covers it.
     
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  4. ohti

    ohti Member Moderator 20s Coordinator <TF>

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    Fair
     
  5. Donor

    Donor XPOff-topic Bro

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    fixt
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    edit
    4 a more in depth discussion
    on the topic
    refer 2 this thread
    https://xpoff.com/threads/top-tier.90961/#post-1203488
     
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    ohti Member Moderator 20s Coordinator <TF>

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  7. Eleannor

    Eleannor The Twink Paladin

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    Fury Twinks with Crusader can be S+ tier at team fights, when geared and supported by healers (where they shine better than anyone else).
     
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    Hornfull

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    thanks for the link
     
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  9. Shocking

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    All healers are pretty OP at 20, especially shaman and druid. If you master one of these you'll easily be doing top or near to the top damage on your team as well as keeping people alive.

    If healing isn't your thing then arcane mage, marksman hunter and balance druid all put out good damage and have some utility without being too reliant on enchants.

    But hey, don't feel pressured to play what's considered the best, if you have a class or spec you really want to play then go for it!
     
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  10. ohti

    ohti Member Moderator 20s Coordinator <TF>

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    Gear has almost nothing to do with it but the healer part is crucial, that's why warrior isn't that great. There are specs that are better and dont crutch so hard on their healer. It also struggles a lot in sweaty games because of the ranged meta atm. (It was nearly unplayable in wargames last time we had them in this bracket.) Even in a perfect world, I don't think warrior is "S+" tier.
     
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  11. Chops

    Chops Soccer Dad Moderator

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    its def not. just easy to go plowing through levelers with in pugs
     
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    tence Grandfathered

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    Finally hpally has ascended!
     
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    Voc 2017 Twink Cup Champion

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  14. Henry

    Henry Member <TF>

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    2 big variables to consider:
    1. Vet or F2P (enchants or no enchants)?
    2. Running with a pocket healer (for DPS specs) or no?


    Below is my best attempt at a tier list that takes both into account:

    Veteran Tier List (with optimal enchants):
    - S: Resto Shaman, Resto Druid, MM Hunter (with a pocket healer), Fury Warrior (with a pocket healer)
    - A: MW Monk, Disc Priest, Holy Priest, Holy Paladin, Arcane Mage, Balance Druid
    - B: MM Hunter (with no pocket healer), Surv Hunter, Outlaw Rogue, Ret Paladin, Feral Druid
    - C: Fury Warrior (with no pocket healer), Arms Warrior, BM Hunter, Demo Lock, Affliction Lock, Destro Lock, WW Monk, Frost Mage, Fire Mage, Ele Shaman, Enh Sham, Shadow Priest
    - D: Sub Rogue, Assass Rogue, BM Monk, Guardian Druid, Prot Warrior, Prot Pally

    F2P Tier List (no enchants):
    - S: Resto Shaman, Resto Druid
    - A: MM Hunter (with a pocket healer), MW Monk, Disc Priest, Arcane Mage, Balance Druid
    - B: MM Hunter (with no pocket healer), Holy Priest, Holy Paladin, Ret Paladin
    - C: Fury Warrior (with a pocket healer), BM Hunter, Outlaw Rogue, Surv Hunter, Feral Druid, Demo Lock, Affliction Lock, Destro Lock, Frost Mage, Fire Mage, Ele Shaman, WW Monk, Shadow Priest
    - D: Sub Rogue, Assass Rogue, Fury Warrior (with no pocket healer), Arms Warrior, Enh Shaman, BM Monk, Guardian Druid, Prot Warrior, Prot Pally



    Best/Middle/Worst by Class:

    Druid:
    - Best: Restoration/Balance
    - Middle: Feral
    - Worst: Guardian

    Hunter:
    - Best: Marksmanship
    - Middle: Survival with enchants, otherwise BM
    - Worst: Survival with no enchants, otherwise BM

    Mage:
    - Best: Arcane
    - Middle: Fire with max Crit, otherwise Frost
    - Worst: Fire with low Crit, otherwise Frost

    Paladin:
    - Best: Holy
    - Middle: Retribution
    - Worst: Protection

    Priest:
    - Best: Discipline
    - Middle: Holy
    - Worst: Shadow

    Rogue:
    - Best: Outlaw
    - Middle: Assassination
    - Worst: Subtlety

    Shaman:
    - Best: Restoration
    - Middle: Elemental
    - Worst: Enhancement

    Warlock:
    - Best: Demonology
    - Middle: Destruction with max Crit, otherwise Affliction
    - Worst: Destruction with low Crit, otherwise Affliction

    Warrior:
    - Best: Fury
    - Middle: Arms
    - Worst: Protection
     
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  15. Donor

    Donor XPOff-topic Bro

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    honestly is A worthy
    no way is fury same tier as arms
    and no way is fury that low
    i would bump it 2 B
    bump down 2 D prolly


    lol
    u just h8 warriors bro
     
  16. Chops

    Chops Soccer Dad Moderator

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    tbf warriors without crusader are useless
     
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  17. Goesid

    Goesid Twink Info Legend Fancy Pants

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    Kinda depends what the list is for too. Warriors are crazy vs levelers but against a semi coordinated team with twinks theyre pretty far down there.
     
  18. Chops

    Chops Soccer Dad Moderator

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    yea, you gotta make a tier list for the environment youre in.

    But since no one is playing wargames, no need to worry about that. And if you're just pug stomping, no need for a tier list because literally any twink will do.

    So if we assume we need a tier list for the only "competitive" environment in the bracket, then we're looking at "oh, looks like our 4-5 man group is playing another 4-5 man group" scenario, in which case warrior is pretty mid tier.
     
  19. ZenwØw

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    GODX TIER
     
  20. Henry

    Henry Member <TF>

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    I feel like too many things need to go right for a warrior to actually be more impactful than another class....need Crusader enchants, need high Stam gear, need a pocket healer to follow you around all match, need someone slowing/CCing the kill target so you don’t get kited, and, even then, an equally-geared & skilled Healer will still survive enough of your damage and provide more utility to the team.

    Do you see BGs where fury warriors are absolutely shredding? Sure. But those probably would have been pubstomp matches anyway - idk if they have proportionate value in closer/more competitive matchups.

    Situationally agree with your notes on Ret, Afflic, and Enhance though. Ret can be A if the player has a brain and they’re geared enough, but I subjectively feel like most of the rets I see in BGs just get bullied, kited, and beat up all match. With coordination and a good team, though, they can probably be A Tier.
     
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