Bestworld
MBA
Don't you ever accuse me of writing bibles again, Johannes "Lild" Gutenberg.
Don't you ever accuse me of writing bibles again, Johannes "Lild" Gutenberg.
Featherfoot
Legend
It has always been like this yes, but so has the the turn around of new players being turned off and away from the twinking scene. The only thing that has changed is the drop in players and over all interest within the community so now we are seeing the effect now more so than ever from not welcoming in more noobies.
Ive flown under the radar for the most part but i have been around for a long time. Ive helped gear tons of 19s over the years and i can personally say the biggest issue when trying to have a nice functioning twink guild comes down to activity. So with that in mind let me give everyone here an example of how the general atmosphere in this bracket has hurt it more so than helped.
For the sake of referencing this scenario im about to play out, we can call it the "80/20 effect". and this isnt just a random scenario im imagining, this is how ive seen recruiting play out time and time again over the 10 years ive played.
So the 80/20 effect is, lets say i recruit 100 new players to make 19s... some will be old school players who havnt twinked in years and didnt even know there was a community, some are end game pvpers wanting to check out the lower lvl bracket, and some are new to pvp all together... you see it all, the composition doesnt really matter... So out of that 100, 80 will stop playing because they did not feel welcome, they got attacked for not making a good play or maybe just the lack of a play altogether. Or maybe they were just unlucky enough to bump into that random shit talker who whispers ppl for no good reason, we all know we have them here... So regardless of the actual played out instance... 80 will stop playing because they were given zero chances to learn and grow in the 19 bracket. So now, and rather quickly, im down to 20... most of these will stick around for 2-4 weeks.... some maybe a month or two, but sooner or later they will fade out because lack of activity... All 20 will never be online at the same time, they will pop in and out normally miss each other and soon get bored with the twink scene... That 20 we are missing out on is a direct result of the 80 we already lost... i used to always say you need activity to have activity, and without the 80 to fill in the roster, the 20 dont see anything going on to stick around for.
Like i said before, this issue of new players not feeling welcome and not staying in the bracket isnt new, its just being noticed more now since our own numbers are dropping and now we are trying to figure out how to fill the void, and tbh i think im being generous with the 80/20... its probably closer to 90/10 .... I bet we are chasing away close to 90% of people who are showing interest in twinking.
So I guess all im saying is give people a chance. if we dont give the people who want to check out twinking a chance we will be left with what we have now, levelers missing gear, active twinks not wanting to get smashed and shit talked on stream, and 2-3 hours set up for real IDs that fall apart in 15-30 min. As i mentioned in my earlier post... only the community can save the community, and as a community we need numbers to be our main focus for now then be willing to give chances. Constructive criticism not hostile attacks... get the quantity where it needs to be then help shape the quality.
Bestworld
MBA
It's the same anywhere in life. School, you don't perform, you get bad grades.
In sports you get benched, kicked off or disliked by the team if you don't perform.
In any environment there's going to be shit that'll try to knock you down, or an opportunity to rise up. This PC mindset of wanting a safe-space wherever one sets foot is getting ridiculous. People who quit because they feel the pressure is too high, from whatever obstacle, is never going anywhere. And there are those who ARE nice, who DOES help etc. It's up to these fkn babies to decide where they want to put their focus. Like holy shit, the world isn't a huge kindergarden.
Find one online game that doesn't have rotten apples. O-N-E. No seriosuly, try. Then come back and tell me how that went.
If you like an aspect of a game, i.e. twinking, a few bad encounters isn't gonna put you off. And if it does, your mentality is in the wrong place to begin with. I blame society for getting soft. Can we please get back the 90s of people being real on TV and politics not including 800 genders, thx.
Edit: GG as in git gud.
In sports you get benched, kicked off or disliked by the team if you don't perform.
In any environment there's going to be shit that'll try to knock you down, or an opportunity to rise up. This PC mindset of wanting a safe-space wherever one sets foot is getting ridiculous. People who quit because they feel the pressure is too high, from whatever obstacle, is never going anywhere. And there are those who ARE nice, who DOES help etc. It's up to these fkn babies to decide where they want to put their focus. Like holy shit, the world isn't a huge kindergarden.
Find one online game that doesn't have rotten apples. O-N-E. No seriosuly, try. Then come back and tell me how that went.
If you like an aspect of a game, i.e. twinking, a few bad encounters isn't gonna put you off. And if it does, your mentality is in the wrong place to begin with. I blame society for getting soft. Can we please get back the 90s of people being real on TV and politics not including 800 genders, thx.
Edit: GG as in git gud.
Iild
big pwner never small pwn
if you're new to twinking and want to join competitive games but expect it to be all hugs and kisses and no flaming, you're coming in with the wrong mindset and should just man up and stop being a bitch, there's no competitive scene in any sport any game any profession any competition with 0 flaming 0 trashtalk, if you can name one i'll delete my account on stream
idea for next year's twink cup - give everyone a prize and xpoff badge because that's the generation of twinks you're breeding
idea for next year's twink cup - give everyone a prize and xpoff badge because that's the generation of twinks you're breeding
Bestworld
MBA
I love that "pad on the shoulder, everyone is a winner, rainbow party, I sexually identify as a fairy" mentality.
Featherfoot
Legend
People are treating the random queues like its twink cup though, no one trying to be in twink cup should be treated like some random 10-19 wsg player, sure.. i get that... but no random 10-19 player should be treated and expected to be at the skill set of a twink cup player.... seems like you guys would let 19s die off before helping usher in a new era... the 10-19 bracket has peewee players mixed in with allstars and the allstars are to ignorant to see the difference and treat everyone as if they should be on their level... I dont want to give out participation awards but maybe we should, cuz we are lacking participation.... we are the remains of the 20 that stuck around, but we need the 80 to keep us afloat... but hey once all these people thinking about quitting do, you can feel like a real champ being a "good player" surrounded by rookies and levelers.. have fun being an allstar in your peewee league thats left behind all because no one wanted to help the community thats in shambles
Bestworld
MBA
It's healthy to get a bump on the head. That is if you want to get better. If you don't care fuck all, then just ignore the people yelling at you (by you I don't mean "you" specifically, talking to people in general here), or don't take notice. Focus on what you wanna focus on. Whether it's dicking around, or whatever someone might consider a fun time.
The most fun part is that I see people who have z-e-r-o fucking clue spam the BG chat too at times, which is just funny as fuck. And I am talking new people, born yesterday, dried over night. Newbies by the very definition (it at least seems that way, just by how clueless they really are). People who would yell at FC's for not capping when they have 3-4 people in your FR xddddddddddddddddddddddd
shit like that.
At the end of the day, it's up to you how you react in these situations. At one point you're going to know you're in the right, or shit, dude's got a point, I made a mistake. Get back up, adjust, learn, play.
Jva
Legend
what did I miss? Randoms have it easier than ever to play twinks. The thing is, none of those have the slightest interest in competitive games. Thats why the competitive scene is declining. The new ppl dont care and the old veterans quit.
Btw I thought twinking would rise with the new xpoff rules. Where are all those new and beautiful twink faces?
Btw I thought twinking would rise with the new xpoff rules. Where are all those new and beautiful twink faces?
Nutbreaker
Legend
Featherfoot
Legend
I agree with that, but at the same time if twinking was doing good this thread wouldnt even exist... all im saying is we need to be aware of how we are coming off... you can correct someone or give input without being a complete ass about it... and if how we were going about it currently was working, once again, this wouldnt be a thread and we wouldnt be posting back and forth atm. im just saying there are steps we could take as a community to encourage twinking and bring numbers back. Times change and we can change with it or die out. There will always be negativity and hostile players, and its not even that i expect or want that aspect of the game to go away, we just need a few more friendly and helpful voices mixed in with it. It could be something simple as a whisper, say someone calls out a player for a mistake and maybe takes it a bit far, so be it... be the player that whispers the noob on the side and say "hey dont sweat it, shit happens... but hes right that was a mistake. we will get it next time" or something silly... stupid shit like that could go a long ways in saving the bracket
MYT
Legend
There's an irony here. The same people that think trash talk on the website deters new players (it doesn't) will happily watch people that beat them in the arena be banned from plebs for shattering their false sense of accomplishment and support new players in plebs being talked to like dogs - and in most cases not because they made a bad play but because the person talking to them like that died due to their own bad play or just the other team targeting them.
Most of you have things ass backwards and then wonder why things arent working.
Most of you have things ass backwards and then wonder why things arent working.
Mol
Legend
They dont trashtalk and flame each other in chess tournaments. And now go and delete your account.
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Iild
big pwner never small pwn
They dont trashtalk and flame each other in chess tournaments. And now go snd delete your account.
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/best-trash-talking
Druiddroid
OG
Everyone plays WoW for their own reasons, the whole TC thing is basically for old school players to show off their skillz. No new players want to join in on this super serious stuff, just play WoW and have fun.
Me personally, I used to be pretty competitive about WoW, but now I play just to relax and pass the time after a day of work.
partygirl
Legend
I think for alot of people (me included) its time to put the shoes on the shelf and retire, I dont see the competitive side of 19s ever being active again unless MVQ puts up the cata server again and it becomes a hit. In my honest opinion though i think it will be fun and active for 2 weeks then dead in the dirt again, time to move on and focus on other things my dudes.
Mol
Legend
why so srs, was just a prank....
MooCow
Legend
Better or more advertising I would suggest. Like spaming TC info outside of Org. / Stormwind and in goldshire. Also in bgs so the word spreads. It's not like all the twinks knows about the website.
To all the naysayers in this thread. There are lots of new 19 twink guilds forming and new players. 19 s was dead in WoD. It's starting to come back xpac. We need as a whole to be inclusive instead of exclusive.
I personally wanted to join the TC. It currently conflicts with my schedule. Although I'm trying to form a 3vs3 team for that portion of the Cup.
Moocow
Aka Protrockin/Zorblast
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