Queues alread 9m long and growing :/

[Chops]

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maybe that?

no no i get that. its the rambly bit that gets at... no point I can discern that I'm wondering about. And wondering what the age of the account has to do with any of it? Even a two day old forum account can giggle about how stupid "adapt or die" sounds coming a bunch of washed 27s

 

[Warglave]

Almost 7:30am Eastern Standard Time.

Why the fuck would you expect pops before anyone normal gets out of bed, goes to work, wakes up their kiddies, even has breakfast, etc... I get it, lot of people dont have that schedule (I am one) but there's a reason retail stores generally dont open up until like 9-10 am.

In the US. Eastern time. Jesus that's like 5:30 AM pacific, isnt it?

My point being nobody should make a 29 WW and think you are just gonna be making waves

They should make one if they like monk at 20 cuz all those things make it SO much better to play above 20...

If you die, you die. If the only determining factor to make a twink is what's face-est roll then gtfo anyway, who cares.

 

[Kaxle]

In the US. Eastern time. Jesus that's like 5:30 AM pacific, isnt it?

Poor mountain time, always forgotten

 

[Warglave]

Am I thinking of daylight savings already?

Forgive me, Mountain Timer.

 

[JadeFire]

 

[Chops]

paging @CigNus

 

[stickyo]

it's straight stubborn denial to think that everyone could be convinced to drop their plans and go back to playing level 20

you don’t get it, dude.
i don’t think anyone SHOULD be convinced of anything. i don’t want to convince you not to play 29s. i just don’t want you to keep trying to convince 20s to cheer you for it.

 

[Jointser]

shirts already finished?

 

[Dysphoria]

you don’t get it, dude.
i don’t think anyone SHOULD be convinced of anything. i don’t want to convince you not to play 29s. i just don’t want you to keep trying to convince 20s to cheer you for it.

Okay, great that you’ve shared your thoughts, but what I wrote wasn’t in response to you.

It was directed at the people who’ve expressed numerous times, in explicit terms, that people should not play 27/29s and should instead continue to roll 20s. And that doing so would somehow help the bracket, even in the face of inevitable 29 rerollers. Which is actually a recipe for disillusionment and dead queues.

I’m also not looking to be cheered for anything. I don’t even play the game rn and not sure if I will before DF. I just want to confront sentiments like:

Would rather watch it die than help 29s… …We all know the people who play 29s are shitters.

Which seems noxious and out of touch to want to see destroyed the only low-level PvP bracket that we have now, and potentially all we'll have for a very long time.

We’re all twinks in the end, and playing 20 or 29 isn’t some huge difference mechanically. It’s just attachments and egos in the way. So why not reconcile in the name of keeping games alive instead of pushing to burn things down out of spite.

 

[Jva]

Even a two day old forum account can giggle about how stupid "adapt or die" sounds coming a bunch of washed 27s

I literally explained why that is a stupid statement. You clearly see the 29s coming in now as a somewhat homogeneous group of people being former 27s that want to woop your ass. Doesnt get more delusional than that. Have you even followed the twink world and how things work your past 9 years? You surely didnt.
I mean cry all you want, it wont change anything. More than enough people will choose to max out with different reasoning behind it.
Adapt or die…

 

[Chops]

You clearly see the 29s coming in now as a somewhat homogeneous group of people being former 27s that want to woop your ass.

i was specifically talking about a very small group of particular people, from whom the statement "adapt or die" is particularly rich.

Maybe go back and give it another pass? Maybe another 2 or 3.

If it helps, I can probably re-write it in monosyllabically. Let me know.

 

[Bakedaflol]

"20s need to adapt or die" is pretty rich from a bunch of people who have spent 2 years crying about their precious 27s but never made any effort to get a scene going. The audacity to now latch onto a bracket and activity built and nurtured by 20s and demand that we continue to fuel your games while preaching like you somehow overcame adversity to play your twinks again... just complete lol

These people are forgetting that 20s have adapted themselves for years now. With the introduction of content, gear & spell changes every other patch since Legion Pre-patch.(And probably before.)
We are adapting atm aswell! And the fact that a bunch of 20 mains are now asking for other things to do at 20, shows just that.

There are other ways of adapting, rather than just sampling the next flavor of the month.

 

[Warglave]

And the fact that a bunch of 20 mains are now asking for other things to do at 20, shows just that.

Or it just shows they still want to play the game for free. Kind of the elephant in the room for the argument.

 

[Dysphoria]

These people are forgetting that 20s have adapted themselves for years now. With the introduction of content, gear & spell changes every other patch since Legion Pre-patch.(And probably before.)
We are adapting atm aswell! And the fact that a bunch of 20 mains are now asking for other things to do at 20, shows just that.

There are other ways of adapting, rather than just sampling the next flavor of the month.

I don't see many people actively diminishing or belittling the evolution of 20s culture, nor wanting to see it destroyed. Pivoting to PvE objectives right now for 20 mains is a great move and requires no change or adjustment to any non-f2p player, and no one is pushing against that imo.

Really, all of this comes down to PvP culture. That's where the overlap and potential conflict arises. And in this case, the next "flavor of the month" is the whole array of classes/specs for 27/29.

It's a big switch, and to thrive in PvP now, it's a flavor of the month that does need to be adapted to. Or not. Everyone is free to choose their own path in this.

 

[CIHC]

I just want to say I've been watching BGs pop left and right today.

 

[Chops]

Or it just shows they still want to play the game for free. Kind of the elephant in the room for the argument.

yes, because the restrictions that come with a free account provide a unique challenge and grind that some people are attracted to.

 

[Warglave]

yes, because the restrictions that come with a free account provide a unique challenge and grind that some people are attracted to.

Or.... they just dont want to pay for it.

Honestly.... maybe it just dawned on Blizz that they were offering f2play a better gaming experience than pay2play.

That could realistically be a legitimate reason for the queue change. Almost as much as incompetence....

edit- there is absolutely NOTHING stopping anyone from undertaking that "challenge" on a paid account.

The ONLY difference (aside from limitations you can impose on yourself) was queueing PvP with levelers.

 

[Dysphoria]

Or.... they just dont want to pay for it.

It's been pretty well established now that most dedicated f2ps have second subbed accounts, and that their desire to stay 20 is out of dedication to the playstyle.

One of the big appeals being around grinding things out under self-enforced restrictions, as Chops eludes to often.

But yes, PvP-oriented 20s were enjoying their dominance in the bracket. And there's some salt from that strength pedestalization being swapped over abruptly to 27/29s.

 

[Chops]

maybe it just dawned on Blizz that they were offering f2play a better gaming experience than pay2play.

I agree that F2P is far superior to the paid version, legitimately I think they just hit the "problems that arent super critical, lets fix that when we get some time" section of the priority list

 

[Warglave]

It's been pretty well established now that most dedicated f2ps have second subbed accounts

I'm not calling anyone out on anything. That's literally the only difference, access to lever BG as locked XP.

Anyone can decide "i cant use the AH or mailbox etc..." and be a "challenged f2play" on their subbed account. That is all.