Non-instanced BoE scaling and how it works.

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  1. AlisterCrow

    AlisterCrow Member

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    While I was killing rares in Silverpine Forest I noticed that the greens they are dropping always have the same level requirement. After leveling a few characters I noticed that there was some sort of pattern to how gear scales and learned how to get lower level BoE drops to scale up to a higher level requirement. Now, if you've got a level 10 twink for example, every drop is going to scale down to a lower level than 10; however, if you're level 13 every green that has dropped so far has a level 10 requirement and better stats than the gear you would have looted at level 10. After seeing this, I began trying to find that sweet spot for 19 or 20, but no luck......everything goes from a level 16 requirement before level 25 and straight into a level 21 requirement when you loot the item at level 25. In other words, if you have a 10 twink, you are no longer bis unless you have a 13 twink to give gear to the 10....the same could be true for 29s 39s etc but I'm not sure yet as I haven't tested it and don't know what level you'll have to be to get gear to scale up.

    This kind of BoE scaling does not seem to apply to dungeon drops as far as I can tell. I don't know if it will apply to blues like magician's mantle, feet of the lynx etc. I don't know if this scaling applies to chest farming, but I'm anxious to find out. If anyone's leveling a character that's barely above 29/39/49 etc, I invite you to post any findings here.
     
  2. Donor

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    i saw a 20 get this
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    it seems there are times when you get more than +6 to ilvl on blue boes
     
  3. Anonymous

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    I spoke about this in another thread as anon about how epics in the 30-39 and 40-49 bracket are scaling WILDLY now - any theories for epics and farming them?
     
  4. Donor

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    some of us starters caught wind of the +12 or +13 ilvls to the clvl req of epics
    we got really excited about the necklace drops for this love is in the air event
    only to see it take on old ilvl scaling rules of 20 +5
     
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    My hypothesis would be that you would absolutely need an extra character at the right level to get the most out of the scaling for BoE epics out of dungeons. http://www.wowhead.com/item=1204 for example, could have it's level requirement, stats and ilvl raised simply because it was looted on a character say, 45-46. Perhaps it would have a level requirement of 38 making it better suited for 39s or worse, it jumps from req.36 to req.41.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 13, 2018, Original Post Date: Feb 13, 2018 ---
    The rules to scaling are different in dungeons it seems. I've heard that gloves of the fang just scale to ilvl26 for 20s now. I don't why some BoEs scale differently.
     
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    Instance drop BoE's are still getting +6 i think... World drop BoE's get +8 World drop BoE epics get +13...

    However i've seen an anomaly also... Freezing Band.. a classic BoE epic was norally always req lvl 47.

    I've seen one at Req lvl 58 and one at Req lvl 60.
    The Req lvl 58 one was ilvl 71 like you would expect. However the Req lvl 60 one was ilvl 75. Which is a 15+ ilvl jump... My theory is that that is because it was looted by someone higher then 60.. but the req lvl is capped at 60.. but the ilvl still goes a little higher... i'm not sure!
     
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    That is interesting indeed.. Well Firebane cloak can also drop in the world, so maybe thats why it acts like a BoE world drop... hmmm
    I've seen multiple Random drop Blues from instances drop that were only +6.. but hey.. a big patch like this blizz is bound to screw something up and give us a chanse at new gear! we should look in all nooks and crannies.
     
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    Here are some of my findings from Gnomer :-
    Blue ilvl 28 BoE - usable on a 20.
    upload_2018-2-13_18-44-46.png
    The below wand for some reason didn't scale down to 20, even though it appears to be a world BoE - WTF?
    upload_2018-2-13_18-45-48.png
    And boss drops in Gnomer, as already stated, don't scale down below lvl 24 requirement. However you can obtain the mog from it even on a 20 ;)
    upload_2018-2-13_18-47-56.png upload_2018-2-13_18-50-3.png
    And the quest which drops, though it says lvl 20, won't allow you to start it :mad:
    upload_2018-2-13_18-51-14.png
     
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    Did you try cleaning the grime encrusted ring?
     
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    Pretty sure it still has a lvl req to do the quest, so 20s cant do it. I could be wrong tho.
     
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    ye its only seems to be world drops inside of dungeons
     
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    This is correct. It won’t let me do anything with it. :(
     
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    You guys are looking at too narrow a range. The scaling is on a sliding scale, lower level stuff being scaled less than higher. My money is on the idea that Blizz doesn't want any of these overpowering a bracket.

    1) At the lower levels, blues typically get +6, then in the 20s and 30s, it switches to +8 and so on (but it's not consistent; I suspect some hand tuning by Blizz). It may be a function also of WHERE the standard base item falls in the bracket. Many of the non-standard blues and epics drop at values which make them roughly equal to the satchel drops or BG crates for the bracket cap/ The blues seem to have floating lvl/ilvl values, but the epics seem to have fixed levels, for each bracket. So, for a certain particular epic,you'll see only level 43 say but never 42 or 44, and its 60 version will be lvl 66 and nothing else. In the case of the level 43, add 13, and you get a ilvl 55 or 56. /yawn It's just a token epic... purely eye-candy.
    3) In the 60s, the boost for blues can be +56 but it's not enough. Even more bizarre: some of the higher level blues (say 80s) will drop with a HIGHER level req, but lower ilevel, than its standard version. Blues are not competitive beyond 49, unless you are willing to hobble yourself for some swag.
    2) Epics similarly are on a sliding scale: +13 at first but in the 60s, it's say, +82, which makes the 60s the last bracket where that epic scaling can be near BIS. It will never BE BIS, though.
    3) 50s and 70s bracket are a complete waste. Nothing dropping now for 50s can beat pre-7.3.5 Outland greens, and similarly in the 70s.
     
  15. Anonymous

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    so whats the sweet spot to lock xp at for a farming alt? 34?
     
  16. Donor

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    i posted this in an another thread
    but thought it was relevant here too
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    ilvl doesnt scale down on dungeon bops

    edit
    the stats on acidic walker are just shit
     
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    http://www.wowhead.com/item=9454/acidic-walkers
    the stats arent scaled down, the boots just arent very good for their level.
     
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    Got a ilvl 50 crossbow for lvl 42 on my level 44 rogue. Pretty good since heirlooms are ilvl 49 on 44 WoWScrnShot_021318_192436.jpg
     
  19. Donor

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    oh
    makes sense that stats wouldnt squish
    looking at ilvl 30 item listed above makes it clear
    i just got unlucky running into a shit item on my only gnomer bop drop
    yup another case of world drop boe being +8
    thank you for your contribution
     
  20. Anonymous

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    So what level should you be if you want to farm a BIS world drop for each bracket? People are saying making a 33 for 29, 43 for 39 etc but whats the math behind that and where would you go for zones?

    If I was to farm hinterlands (a 30+ area) on my 29 paladin would this cause a BOE world drop to be in the 20-29 bracket or would it scale past 30? Or not even drop anything?

    Gotta say this is confusing and unclear as shit but its also pretty fun theorizing new stuff for the new BIS items. Also enjoying scanning AH daily again for items i want, reminds me of back in vanilla/bc
     

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