New Speed Twink 110 or 111

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  1. Methusal3m

    Methusal3m New Member

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    Hey y'all it's been a long time.
    Took a break from wow the last couple of months and now I want to make a new speed demon hunter on the other faction (hi, Horde).
    Now, while my old dh is decently geared

    https://worldofwarcraft.com/de-de/character/eu/tarren-mill/ellaswift

    I'm not yet sufficiently happy with her move speed. She caps at 160ish sth with her speedset. And above 200 with all buffs.

    Now if I remember correctly blizzard removed the ability to put bfa gems into 110 gear, whether it's from bfa or not. The difference in speed stat and mastery between 188 and 196 greens is negligible in my eyes (and yes at start I'd fill some slots with 233 gear) but a mastery +haste +socket 196 (can it sill have speed?) should allow me to use bfa gems.

    I know that the best gear comes from Antorus for 110s it's just not viable in my eyes when you can farm bfa mobs/fh for greens with procs and bfa sockets.

    Is there somebody who did the math on the dh mastery cap regarding speed? How about warrior (leveling one on the side)?
    Which would be better for pure speed concerns, 110 or 111? Can eg. Warriors use the new bfa gems to get become even more of a beast?

    And before you do it, here's my druid that I regret bringing to 111 for draenor runs... Cost me a few % ms.

    https://worldofwarcraft.com/de-de/character/eu/blackmoore/omylordfarms
     
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    The passive movement speed cap is still 230%.
    There is no conversion cap for DH Mastery -> Movement, same for a warrior with Aggramar.

    If it is worth it ... going from 110 to 111? TBH I don't know. If you are only going to farm <Level 100 content it shouldn't really matter imho.

    I've just started a fury warrior, she is only 101, bought some gear and I only have 136% passive movement BUT I can go up to 283% with procs + drums + heroic leap sprint. Even more with Nitro obv..

    So at 110 / 111 I will be much faster. Both classes should be able to reach 200%+ passive.
    Warriors have an insane haste scaling -> movement speed. 6 out of 7 talents can be used to increase your movement speed. (and 3 pvp talents on top, 2 active ones.)

    When I hit 110 I will do some math to see if going to 111 will increase my movement speed.

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  3. necroaqua

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    Heres a good thread for reference with regard to warriors: https://xpoff.com/threads/movement-speed-twinks.81820/

    You can put BfA gems into any ilvl 200+ gear. So anything above 200 ilvl with sockets is super good. Mostly thats M Antorus gear - but lucky quest upgrades are good too. At 111 you get access to BfA crafted gear at 225 (green)/233 (blue) - which is waaaaay easier to get than M Antorus. With the addition of BfA gems and full str enchants, going 111 is generally better for pure stats. Def only barely hit 111 tho - as at 10% into the level the enemy mobs scale up and you don't want that.

    The main reason to stay 110 was to BG. That isn't an option now unless you plan on xferring a toon to a new account without BfA. And thats got a limited lifespan.

    For warriors/demon hunters who have speed scale with stats, 111 will be better. For druids, you would need to get a bunch of 111 gear with speed stat (and theres diminishing returns on speed rating) - so I think 111 is worse for druids.

    Warriors are notable for a few reasons. Aggramar's stride does a ton of work with the stat stacking. Crit may be the highest stat you can get, but haste/mastery are the best dps stats - so haste is usually picked as it keeps you relevent for islands too without much gear swapping (it also reduces cooldowns to spam things and stacks really well with enrage). Things with speed stat are really good, but gemslots are usually better. The crafted plate belt is expensive, but gives 15% movespeed and has 3 gem slots for +120 haste. The legendary ring is prob easier to get and gives 10% speed and lets you root (from charge)/interupt for a boost to it. You can dual wield 2hers - which means the sword from strath can be used offhand (with windwalk enchant) and you still have a strong mainhand weapon. A crafted/quest item with haste and a socket is usually best (outside of M antorus) - but if you happened to get the 2h heirloom from siege of org back in MoP, that can be upgraded and has 2 gem slots. You can find lower level cloaks to get the old Gift of Haste enchant for 2% speed without too much haste loss. I think theres a BoE helm with gem slots that ends up being more speed from haste than the 3% from longstrider.

    Also you can get leggo shoulders to swap in to do crazy leaps. Especially with the leap talent and warmode leap talent.

    Here is my low-effort 111 warrior: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bloodscalp/skullkid . He sits at 164% speed currently - but gets higher as he hits things running through dungeons through haste procs (enrage, enchant, trinkets, azerite power) and speed procs (windwalk, ring). I could def use a better cloak - but the MoP leggo has a pretty cool animation that matches my armor and it isn't too bad. I'm keeping an eye out for some better crafted gear too. And my trinkets are meh...though I don't know what my options are to get some with passive haste since I threw a bunch from quests away before I decided to go movespeed.


    I don't know too much about DH other than the crafted boots and stacking mastery/speed. I don't remember the cap on the speed stat (i think its in that thread I linked up top) - but I think focusing on 40mastery gems is better.
     
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    I have a few 110s with speed sets, leveled my only 111 so I can no longer comment on him. My favorite is my (very well-geared) DH because it's the easiest for the veg-mode old content farming. Beyond fel rush all I do is loot, which is nice for lazy farming sessions that require little interaction. With no buffs other than The Sentinel's Eternal Refuge (5 stacks, 1 minute duration) I have 191% movement speed in combat, 266% out of combat. Without the legendary 5 stack my movement speed is 166%.

    He flies through old content, almost as fast as my old 101.
     
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    I'm sorry but nothing is faster than 110 twink, take my warrior for example: [​IMG]

    I will give 1 million gold to any 111 warrior that has faster consistent (rethu's not included as you lose 5% near mobs) movement speed...you won't find one. 110 is the way to go as you need considerably less crit/haste rating per % crit/haste.
     
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  6. necroaqua

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    You're also leaving tons of secondaries on the table by staying at 110 - even moreso with the new gems/enchants from 8.2 (+50 gems and +60 per ring enchant). Also while you're technically correct in that rethu's isn't 15% all the time - it comes into play most of the time and is well worth it for 111 for the 3x gem slots for a whopping +150 secondary stat. If you really don't want to count it, remove 5% to match it to the ring's 10% - but don't discount any 111 wearing it, because it is definitely BiS for 111.

    For numbers, you've got 51% crit being converted with your boots.
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/argent-dawn/Rosakjole has 50% haste and is using 2 gem slots for speed gems (which I'm not even sure do anything...so another theoretical +100 haste).
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/kelthuzad/Baldhammer has 53% haste.
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/shandris/Imafastball has 59% haste and has enchant/gem upgrades available. Though they trade out longstriders for it.
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/argent-dawn/ravenswinter is showing 52% haste without belt/ring. Presumably swapping in the heroic leap shoulders in to maximize travel.

    Most of those have some speed stat as well.

    Now, I'm not them - so I don't know their exact speeds - but all of them have MORE speed from the legendary boots than you (other than Rosakjole who could easily get there). Most don't even have the new gems or ring enchants yet - which will boost them even further. The better scaling at 110 is cancelled out by the sheer additional stats available due to gems/enchants. Its certainly not "bet a million gold that 110 is better than 111" levels.

    I'll also add that 111 is much easier to get started with with purchasable 225/233 gear and even heirlooms that matter. If you don't plan on doing M Antorus for titanforged with speed tertiaries, then its waaaay easier to gear up.
     
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    I just went up to 185% with the 8.2 gems, thanks for the tip now i'm faster than any 111 warrior by far :D.

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    Now where's the million gold :p
    But ye that is what I was kind of expecting. Warr and maybe dh go faster at 111
     
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    You can always add 5% more runspeed to your warriors if you reroll them to Zanda Trolls :). Embrace of Gonk stacks with everything.
     
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    *hold my beer*

    7% faster atm than my 111 twink who just hit 111 ... wouldn't call it "by far". And your necklace is 26 levels higher than mine, so NO.

    He already has the dark iron active, so it would be +1% for him

    I did and I went to 111.

    @Speedyalt You went for max crit ... why?

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    I'm not posting my alt yet (yeah, yeah, i will) because I am "only" at 173% as a human (switched factions). But I'm already faster then speedy with procs in comparison to my alt because he went for crit and not haste.

    Will see you in a couple of days / weeks where I will be you without any movement racial. So yeah, 110 is faster than 111. oO

    Sorry, but if you talk the talk you have to walk the walk. Or something like that, my english is bad. :(

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    Drums:
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    Meat Cleaver + Bounding Strike:
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    Drums + Meat Cleaver + Bounding Strike:
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    Meat Cleaver + Nitro Boost
    [​IMG]

    Drums + Meat Cleaver + Nitro Boost is the same as
    Drums + Meat Cleaver + Nitro Boost + Bounding Strike
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    387% seems to be the hard cap for movement speed. Tested Lightfoot Potion, Skystep Potion ... can't go beyond 387%. :(
     
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  11. ohti

    ohti Hunter Coordinator 20-29

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    Can I get a clip of you running around at 387 pls thatd make my day
     
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    I will do more than that.

    Goldshire (Remy "Two Times") to Westfall (Old MacDonald) ... staying on the road between the fences
    100% - 2min22sec
    173% - 1min22sec
    420% Flying - 0min34sec

    All I got - Video will follow
     
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    ohti Hunter Coordinator 20-29

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    I'm hyped
     
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    Spoiler: Normal Flying - 250% ... I am faster on that track by foot. ^^
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 25, 2019, Original Post Date: Jul 25, 2019 ---
    Wasted potential.

    He went full mastery. Yes, the conversion rate is better than haste. But the synergy is not. No Frothing Berserker, no Meat Cleaver, no Enrage Haste Scaling, No Drums.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 25, 2019 ---
    Goldshire (Remy "Two Times") to Westfall (Old MacDonald) ... staying on the road between the fences
    100% - 2min22sec
    173% - 1min22sec
    250% Normal Flying - 0min57sec
    420% Epic Flying - 0min34sec

    Me just "walking"
    263% on average - 0min54sec

    Video:
    ^

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    Oh and if you wonder how fast I can go during a fight without Drums, Nitro Boost and / or Bounding Strike - 313%.
     
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    Bottomline: you have 173% movement speed whilst I have 181% (185% indoors). You tried though i'll give you that.

    My point still stands.


    No 111 warrior is clearing raids and/or dungeons faster than me with my higher consistent speed.


    Also a little advice to you Blutzwibel:

    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/twisting-nether/blutzwiebel

    Lose the chest and get the one I have, you get better trait that boosts your secondary stats (stacks up) and the proc is fairly common, you're wasting a lot of speed with that chest.

    Lose the helm and get mine, you get 4% flat movement speed with the azurite helm which is way more speed than what 59 haste gives at 111.


    Also just to clarify your point about my neck being sooo much higher, you'd gain 56 haste for getting your neck to my level....nowhere near enough to bring you to my speed. :)

    Fact of the matter is, you would have been faster at 110 than you are now. Every 111 piece youre wearing is worse than BIS in mythic Antorus.

    I still have a few pieces I need to upgrade which should push me even further ahead.
     
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    *noise* Normally I shouldn't argue with a person like you.

    I've already said that I just hit 111 and "Will see you in a couple of days / weeks ...".

    I'm already doing that and a lot of other speed twinks too. Your average speed is NOT higher than ours, only your passive movement speed by a little bit as I pointed out.

    It is the opposite. A 111 in the same gear as a 110 is faster because of the conversion ratio from rating to percentage and the available gems and enchants. I did the math, you did not.

    So next time if someone gives you advice, don't be that immature and take it. You still use crit instead of haste.

    There is a saying: Kritisiere einen intelligenten Menschen und er wird sich bei dir bedanken. Kritisiere einen dummen Menschen und er wird dich beleidigen.

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    @ohti ;-)

    Stormsong Valley Buff + the rest
    [​IMG]
     
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  18. ohti

    ohti Hunter Coordinator 20-29

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    Now that is wonderful lmao
     
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    Thank you. ;)

    Biuld my prot mastery gear. I am at 173% there too. BUT I am too scared to switch to fury because I think that I am beyond 181% ... will do it later. :D
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 26, 2019, Original Post Date: Jul 26, 2019 ---
    No racial needed:
    [​IMG]

    This guy for example is faster than me:
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/kiljaeden/chazdingo

    But haste is still the way to go as a fury because of all the synergys and average run speed.
     
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