Need smart math people Pt. 2 : Choice of rings

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So I have been annoying everyone in dungeon finder running Legion Violet Hold for the ring off the last boss. But then my brain hurt itself thinking.

Is the +14 mastery ring (with socket) better than a WoD ring with socket? the WoD rings have 4 agi with a minimal amount of mastery whereas the other rings just have a gob of mastery.

TLDR: Is 4 agi better or worse than 8-9 mastery? (only concerned about damage for Guardian Druid)
 
4 agi is better than that, but is no longer better while inside TW or LW, as your main stat hurts ya
I have a sight workaround for that, Ill just queue as DPS for TW, I just want my non-ooze instances to go faster for farming, I am glad 4 agi is better for damage, because WoD rings are easier to farm that socketed mastery rings, thanks!
 
I prefer no-main-stat rings on my agi tanks, simply because the lack of craftable agi/vers gems in LK roaster hurts real bad.. And I do really like at least 10-12% vers in pve.
 
I have a sight workaround for that, Ill just queue as DPS for TW, I just want my non-ooze instances to go faster for farming, I am glad 4 agi is better for damage, because WoD rings are easier to farm that socketed mastery rings, thanks!
Try running https://www.wowhead.com/zone=6912/auchindoun for ring drops off https://www.wowhead.com/npc=75839/vigilant-kaathar#drops;mode:normal
WoD rings, while they lack the sub stats, can proc epic & can also pop a gemslot on the epic proc.
You can enchant for higher sub stats & enjoy the extra punch from main stats.
 
TLDR: Is 4 agi better or worse than 8-9 mastery? (only concerned about damage for Guardian Druid)
Why mastery on a bear tho? I've been out of touch on retail guardian shenanighans, but aren't they always go haste + vers? At least that was the case a year or two back in m+ keys..
Also, with main stat rings, do you grind two sets? I mean like first set with int gems and int statted rings etc for a boomie/restor and second one with agi for a cat/bear?
 
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Is the +14 mastery ring (with socket) better than a WoD ring with socket? the WoD rings have 4 agi with a minimal amount of mastery whereas the other rings just have a gob of mastery.
Main stat ring would be better in terms of the raw output, but looks like after 11.1.7 all TW bosses scale according to your main stat, the more you have - the more hp will be on the boss.. That way Bliz prob try to lowkey nerf low level twinks with a ton of socketed pvp main stat gems.
 
The attack power component of any tank mastery at level 20 (except DH cuz they unlock later) is 1 point = 0.22% extra attack power.

What you have to do to know which stat will be more valuable is to write down your current agi / mastery without the ring and do the following formula :

"a" is your current agility stat, "m" is your current mastery value (i.e. the damage it adds for instance 22% attack power would be a 1.22 multiplier), "ar" is the agility value after equipping the ring and "mr" is the new total mastery value after equipping the ring (ex : if you add 8 mastery to a current 32 you go from 1.1504 to 1.168)

1 : (ar * mr) / (a * m) = how much more damage does your extra agility grant you (substract 1 then multiply by 100 to get a result in percent)


For an example :
Lets assume a start of 220 agility and 40 points of mastery (or 16.8% attack power / 8.8 points more than the baseline of 8%)
Lets assume a ring with 4 agi and 5 mastery and another ring with no agi and 14 mastery
We'll say the other secondaries are something like 5 and 7 haste so the change is minimal.
For both rings a = 220 and m = 1.168

For the agi ring :
ar = 224 and mr = 1.179
We get : (224 * 1.179) / (220 * 1.168) = 1.02777 or around 2.78% more damage

For the mastery ring :
ar = 220 and mr = 1.1988
We get (220 * 1.1988) / (220 * 1.168) = 1.02636 or around 2.63% more damage

Pretty similar for our example but just know that the more agi you have proportionnaly to your mastery, the worse the agi ring gets and vice-versa.
If you want me to run the calcs give me the numbers and I'll do so gladly.

Btw I'll link my old mastery guide, the first masteries aren't as in-depth and I forgot to mention the baseline mastery on some of the first calcs but it's pretty accurate and will hold up until the next changes in mastery which wouldn't be surprised to see happen soon with the xpac : https://xpoff.com/threads/wow-tww-a-mastery-breakdown.100333/
Might help idk

Gonna say it again but this calc does not take into consideration the other secondaries on the ring but the method is basically similar for every secondaries, you'll just have to add an h and hr for haste for example, it'll give you more accurate numbers.

Also, don't freak out too much over 0.1% extra damage as it doesn't mean anything at level 20. Maybe 1 more mastery will be better than 1 more haste but maybe those few extra points of damage will go to waste against an enemy of relatively low HP compared to our damage output. The lower the number, the less reliable it'll get.
 

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