how much for a grandfathered 29 rogue cost me
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willix
Legend
He wasn't better geared. He missed some GF gear that Peter had. It doesn't matter now though, Tapout is the one that bought Peter. Like I said before though, you don't need GF gear at all in this bracket. It's not going to make you more competitive than other players who don't have GF gear.
Magoo
Legend
Yea I did accidently level to lvl 30, but it was also me that bought Wbernstein's rogue for anyone that was not aware.
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Magoo
Legend
I was definitely better geared overall, the only item that I had missing was the Lancer Boots but besides that l had far more gear then what his rogue had.
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danny glover
Officially Retired
This thread is embarrassing.
Falaris
OG
The term youre looking for is 'it doesnt necessarily make you more competitive'. With players of equal skill level whoever has GF'ed gear thats BiS obviously has an edge. Its not as huge of an edge as people here make it out to be, but it is an edge nonetheless. You're right though that you don't 'need' grandfathered gear to compete, although from what Ive seen Skullbreaker is a pretty huge upgrade over non-GF'ed options.
Homerpimpson
Legend
falaris should come back and spice things up in the 29 bracket 
Homerpimpson
Legend
you dont need 80 binds lol basically all you would need is binds on all of your abilities, a sap macro, focus sap/kick/gouge, focus shadowstep+kick and focus cheap shot. you could set it up in 5 mins unless you were used to playing on a fancy ui i could see that taking some effort to set up perfectly again.
willix
Legend
It's a tradeoff. Skullbreaker can take Mongoose, but it's a str weapon, so the classes that use it aren't the classes that really benefit from it. It also has a faster weapon speed, which lowers the amount of damage it does. The only time that Skullbreaker actually provides 'an edge' is when mongoose procs, and it's more along the lines of 'catching up' than providing 'an edge.'
Here's a comparison of two different enhance shamans:
Shamaneggs @ Ursin - Game Guide - World of Warcraft - with GF gear.
Willyshatner @ Dragonmaw - Game Guide - World of Warcraft - without GF gear.
As you can see Skullbreaker isn't much of an upgrade at all.
The only reason you were better geared is because you were using the gem exploit. Also, you wouldn't have leveled if you hadn't been using the XP off switch exploit. So I mean, sure, your rogue might have had a bigger gear selection and more stats, but you had to exploit in order to get there.
I don't understand why you think this is going to do anything for the bracket. If your hopes are to recruit a bunch of 19s to the 29s bracket to increase activity, then all you're going to do is ruin 29s. I doubt anyone who's currently playing 29s is going to xfer to your guild, so it looks like you're just wasting your time/gold/money.
PS, my favorite part about the whole thing is how you paid real life money to get your guild back.
Falaris
OG
A good 29 rogue probably needs a minimum of probably 30-40 binds to be competitive. Anything less than that and someone isn't maximizing their efficiency. Some people feel more comfortable with more binds. I happen to be one of those people.
willix
Legend
Stealth
Sap
Sprint
Evasion
Shadowstep
Cheap Shot
Ambush
Hemo
And tbh you can get by with just stealth, cheap shot, and hemo.
willix
Legend
Not if he hasn't played one since before Cata. Things change brah.
Falaris
OG
Just off the top of my head, without playing for over a year, this is what I can think of that you missed:
1. Throwing weapon
2. Calling out exits on FC macro (x3)
3. Gouge/bandage (I think, its been quite a while)
4. Mount
5. Healing Pot
6. Swiftness Pot
7. Grenade
8. Sapper
9. Racial
10. Trinket 1
11. Trinket 2
12. Various gearsets via Itemrack (apparently there's an ingame option that does it now?)
Plus focus/mouseover macros for all of the offensive moves. I know Ive missed quite a few.
Edit: specifically I know I missed quite a few potions/other consumables, but if youre not binding your consumables youre not doing it right.
willix
Legend
I don't think you understand. As a rogue in Cata, you kill things in the space of a Cheapshot. You can bind all your keys to cheapshot/stealth/hemo and just slam your face up and down on the keys.
Falaris
OG
I do understand. I have played as a rogue in Cata. I know that damage output has gone through the roof while health was not adjusted. That doesnt change any of the keybinds I listed. Can a rogue get away with doing what you said? Sure. But the difference between the stereotypical twink that the average WoW player laughs at and the legitimately good twinks that know how to play is the attention to detail. If youre not keybinding the things Ive listed you are far from maximizing your abilities as a rogue. Will you still be adequate? Sure, but thats not the point.