Do you know how to program, and do you dislike dishonest use of jump macros?

Fair enough boss, I'm sorry for calling you special. I supposes Selaya's hostility made me reach premature assumptions about all forum staff. I'll go to bed for now but respond some time tomorrow <3

No you clearly do not. I want to spread honesty around the use of jump macro usage and not shame anyone. I want beastly natty jumpers to get some extra praise for competing in the same bracket as those on roids.

This can be done without shaming anyone else believe it or not

 

Well the difference is clearly that simple mouse over macros are supported in game. If blizzard thought jump macros were perfectly fine they could just allow us to macro the inputs in game.

To my understanding it has previously been possible to use macros to do perfect jumps see https://www.elitepvpers.com/forum/w...rfect-wall-jump-macro-using-dump-command.html

But blizzard decided to take it out of the game. Using a 3rd party tool to perform and in-game action is nothing like a simple @mouseover even if the functionality like you put it is the same. I don’t think anyone would claim using a lua unlocker to unlock the in-game commands for movement is fair even if you only used it for a jump macro.

If my boss compliments a coworker for doing a good job I would never turn it into feeling shame about not getting a compliment about the work I put in myself. If I praise someone for working out and eating healthy and it makes someone else feel shamed, that other person should probably seek counseling.

I feel bad for people that turn something positive into something negative. It doesn’t seem like a healthy way to live.

I would immediately respect those that are honest if they came out and admitted to using macros. It feels like you trying to paint me as a hateful individual that just wants to harass others for playing the game in different way than myself.

I don’t hate the guy Xyth. I think he is nutty and I strive to get as close to his smoothness, well knowing it is impossible. I don’t hate and think any less of HairyTreeMan, who I only learned about yesterday, even though he is very open about his macro usage. In fact I respect his openness. In classic there was a hunter called “Steelshot” or something who were known for his jumps and fc’ing as a hunter. He got a discord where he is very open about his usage and even helps show others how they can make a jump macro themselves. He seemed like a happy guy with a healthy attitude.
The list could go on about people I think are amazing even if they use macros.

I am not a hateful individual. I am not the one going for personal insults and name calling. You are.

I agree with your point that people shouldn’t feel forced to install a 3rd party program. But if things are as you say, the people at the top don’t care about it anyway, and why would you install some 3rd party software to satisfy people you think are irrelevant?

Installing a 3rd party tool to compete in a different environment is nothing new. Not sure how esea works nowadays but back in the day you had to have their client running to play on the servers which also helped them combat cheating. Lots of players didn’t seem to mind this.

And no… I am not comparing a simple jump macro to wallhacking or aimbotting. It would be better to compare it to nade scripts that allow you to throw tick perfect smokes and so on in csgo. It used to be banned but is now unbanned and allowed for competitive use. It’s still not the exact same thing as a jump macro but very close.

Just by making this topic, talking about it openly I feel like I’m actually helping jump macros become more accepted. Something is never going to be socially accepted if people are afraid of saying their opinions regarding the topic.

I’ve just learned the word “virtue signaling” from you so I hope I’m not misunderstanding it.

It doesn’t seem like a word that I’m gonna be using very much though.

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If you want to make jump macros more socially acceptable. Maybe it could be an idea to pin guides on how to make said macros with gaming software or link to a safe AHK script? You already have a bunch of guides to help gameplay. Why should this be any different.

Be the change you want to see right? You certainly have the platform to influence something like this

 

You are way overthinking everthing. I am not an authority that is going to force anyone to do anything. If the tool was created it would be free to use for those that wants to. If it helps, consider it something similair to having a virtual keyboard on your screen that lights up and shows your viewers your inputs. This is used in other games and is completely optional. No one is feeling forced to use it. Yes it would not just promote natural jumpers it, it could also expose those that are dishonest about their use. The trick for those would simply be to avoid using a tool that will probably not become very popular.

If a team of tournament organizers wanted to make it mandatory the competitors can just decide not to join and if the general consensus in the twink community is that macros are good for the game, that tournament would probably not become very popular and nothing of value was lost.

I fail to see why this matters. Clearly I would prefer macros not being a part of the game, but they are and they have been for a long time no. At this point they are here to stay and I have accepted it. But jump macro usage can insist and evovle just fine while trying to encourage natural jumping too. I don't have some ulterior motive.

My opinion about the jump macro is partly from my own experience and yes the dislike that people claim to be natural when they're not. Dishonesty is problem in many fields such as bodybuilding, advertising and the cosmetic world only to name a few.

Yesterday I downloaded the arctium classic era sandbox. I did the far ally jump (the one where depending on how you perform it you have to go back and forth 4 times before you're at the top. Without a macro I only managed to do the entire thing 5 times in a row and it required a lot of focus on my part. Now I'm far from being a top jumper so other people can surely do it way better naturally. I then tried a jump macro and I did the same thing 20-30 times in a row without fail. It was also way faster than when I did it without the macro. I am happy about my natural performance and being able to pull off that jump in real games, but it does make me sad how much easier it is with a macro and knowing I and others like me will be compared to unnatural results like that.

So to put it simply. Yes I have preference and others are free to have their. I'm not trying to hide anything.

Also besides you perhaps not perhaps not liking the topic I created it would seem weird to me to just ignore the ones that respond with serious replies. I am a single individual responding to others that have engaged with my thread. It would be hard for me to avoid making serveral post.

Obviously I will lose interest at some point and if you want to overanalyze everything I say I'll probably lose interest sooner, so keep up the work if that's your goal

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I really hope someone takes note of this

In a community that seems to have widely accepted the use it seems strange to not help it become more accesible to everyone.

 

Are you really comparing in game addons to 3rd party software? Blizzard can easily restrict what addons can or can't do to keep things fair. They have no control over true 3rd party programs.

It seems it's impossible to mention the word jump macro on this forum without it turning into a dicussion whether it's ok to use or not. Maybe it's my own fault for responding to people that clearly misunderstood the point from the beginning.

So as a head admin what do you think of seeking out a safe AHK jump macro that could be pinned so everyone, who wants to, can easily get on an even playing field no matter what hardware they use? Why keep this information hidden from new players that potentially come to this site to min max their gameplay.

 

My macros are simply to strong to release for the rest of the world to use. Maybe a jump macro user such as yourself or one of the many others on this forum could step up to the task!

also lmao @ still thinking this was just a QQ thread. You must be one of the most dense people I have had the displeasure of chatting with for a while.