Code of Conduct V4 - Discussion thread

[Superstylin]

With the new CoC in place, I wanted to create this thread to gather the communities feedback. Please post all questions, comments, concerns here. We will try our best to improve the CoC with the communities feedback.

Link to current CoC.

Changes made:
- Infractions expire after a six month period
- Changed signature size allowance from 500x200 to 500x250 pixels

 

[Chap]

Now that we have a CoC to abide by, there should be a thorough and detailed explanation of the FFA section and how it relates to these rules. It's important to communicate how far outside the CoC it exists.

There should also exist a clause that forbid impersonation of staff members and other community members alike.

 

[Hamcake]

private server section pls

 

[Arkant]

So, private servers / real money trading?

 

[Shamatix]

I bet private server section goes under "defrauding" but unsure if trading with real life currency really goes under exploiting or not ?

 

[madhombre]

I bet private server section goes under "defrauding" but unsure if trading with real life currency really goes under exploiting or not ?

both, private servers (aslong as they dont charge money to let people play) and trades arent defrauding (breaking blizzards terms of use != defrauding them), however devms "guide" on how to unban banned accounts is defrauding.

but ye a concrete answer from a mod/admin would be good

 

[Trialkiller]

Just a personal opinion here. Since the FFA section isn't supposed to be directly related to twinking or information about twinking, maybe set it up so the main page or "portal" doesn't display new threads from the FFA sections. I'd assume most of the content in these FFA threads are not what we want newcomers to look at and think represents twinkinfo, even though it's pretty much what the bulk of this site is lately, so why leave it in plain sight and possibly deter new users? I had initially thought that these "FFA" sections would be out of the way so you'd actually have to be trying to find them to get to them, but I noticed it's just a new subforum and was kind of disappointed.

I hope I won't get banned for calling out the various peasants, jaja's and fotm scum.

 

[Thotfc]

I think that the rules should still be applicable in all formats. Just my two cents. You should be banned for calling out people in a unmannerful way. Everybody should.
VIII.
VIII.
VIII.
VIII.

 

[Shamatix]

I think that the rules should still be applicable in all formats. Just my two cents. You should be banned for calling out people in a unmannerful way. Everybody should.
VIII.
VIII.
VIII.
VIII.

If you are so annoyed by people calling you out you could do some things your self to prevent it?

 

[Allybeboba]

Just a personal opinion here. Since the FFA section isn't supposed to be directly related to twinking or information about twinking, maybe set it up so the main page or "portal" doesn't display new threads from the FFA sections. I'd assume most of the content in these FFA threads are not what we want newcomers to look at and think represents twinkinfo, even though it's pretty much what the bulk of this site is lately, so why leave it in plain sight and possibly deter new users? I had initially thought that these "FFA" sections would be out of the way so you'd actually have to be trying to find them to get to them, but I noticed it's just a new subforum and was kind of disappointed.

Or perhaps a new member has to have been a TI member for at least 90 days, or whatever length of time, for new members to even see them. That variable is there.

I am glad to see the direction they staff is seeking with the FFA section.
Before it's birth we had a small plague of nonsensical threads in a few sections. I strove to redirect those peoples efforts to sabotage the main sections to a different section of the website because the "helpful" information was getting buried.
Many of TI members need an outlet. The FFA section gives them this outlet. The main sections are not meant to be this outlet. I think however it should have been named "Off Topic Forum" rather than "FFA". FFA gives an incorrect perception of the forum.


It is pretty hard to believe there not going to be a time limit on infractions. You could literally get infracted once every nine months and on that 18th month get banned. Seems awfully steep.

[MENTION=18606]madhombre[/MENTION] Private servers do "charge" if you choose to go that route. Whether that breaks Blizzards ToS, I do not know. As I have mentioned before, that is something that could be utilized in the "veteran" forum we already have were it allowed and Blizzard would never even know unless they had a Veteran account. That section is very under utilized.
All "good" private servers have their own website and their own forums. I don't know why he keeps pushing it here. Kronos even has a little twinking section on their website.

 

[Trialkiller]

Or perhaps a new member has to have been a TI member for at least 90 days, or whatever length of time, for new members to even see them. That variable is there.

I think it would be easier to just push the toxic-ness into the corner and let people view it at their own discretion, a sort of "TwinkInfo Underground" if you would. Of course everything would still abide the laws set within the section but there would be significantly less impact on the rest of the community who doesn't wish to take partake in stuff like "http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f224/illuminati-confirmed-trialkiller-duopaladin-74733/".

 

[Allybeboba]

I think it would be easier to just push the toxic-ness into the corner and let people view it at their own discretion, a sort of "TwinkInfo Underground" if you would. Of course everything would still abide the laws set within the section but there would be significantly less impact on the rest of the community who doesn't wish to take partake in stuff like "http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f224/illuminati-confirmed-trialkiller-duopaladin-74733/".

Or, perhaps, they could actually act civilized for a change.

The winds of change they are a blowin'!

 

[Yapah]

It is pretty hard to believe there not going to be a time limit on infractions. You could literally get infracted once every nine months and on that 18th month get banned. Seems awfully steep.

This.

What happens if I get 2 infractions early on, then don't offend for 2 years? Will I get a 2 week ban for a small infraction after I haven't offended for such a long time? The infractions should reset once every new year or at least once every 2 years.

Also, does this CoC apply to the FFA section? If not what is the point of the FFA section?

 

[Allybeboba]

This.

What happens if I get 2 infractions early on, then don't offend for 2 years? Will I get a 2 week ban for a small infraction after I haven't offended for such a long time? The infractions should reset once every new year or at least once every 2 years.

Also, does this CoC apply to the FFA section? If not what is the point of the FFA section?

Yes, the CoC does apply to the FFA section. That is partly why I suggested a rename. It could be confusing for some people. The section really is not a "free for all". It is more of a general off topic section that has nothing to do with twinking. A repository for threads that do not belong in the "on topic" sections.

 

[artonkn]

--- Scamming: A scam is defined by TwinkInfo as any occurrence in which one party fails to abide by the original transaction terms that were agreed upon by both parties, or fulfill a refund or an alternate resolution agreed upon by both parties, within 48 hours of the agreed upon time of the original transaction. Twinkinfo reserves the right to hand out a Permanent Ban to any User participating in the carrying out of a scam, if Twinkinfo Staff can verify that a scam has happened. TwinkInfo also reserves the right to withdraw at any time from any mediation between parties in a legal dispute, and offers no legal advice nor takes any legal responsibility for transactions carried out between individuals through the site.

Should only be for deals made through TI, other wise it gets messy

 

[l30t53dd6p]

The new coc states cleary that posting exploit info is not allowed but why is this still a grey area? why are guides and topics about jumping still on these forums? because some believe that these are not exploits when blizzard cleary stated that jumps go against the rules and are exploits of terain and gamemechanics?

Make up your mind please, allowed or not allowed is a big grey area atm.

 

[Broken]

Yes, the CoC does apply to the FFA section...

No, not really.

Stuff like porn / spam obviously won't be allowed but besides that, there will be limited moderating. One of Myrm's brief descriptions of the section:

The FFA section is meant to be far more lenient than the main sections. Things like posting personal information still aren't allowed but @threads and insults are allowed within reason. Threads that you think should be closed in the main section might be better off getting moved to the FFA section.

I mentioned back in the original announcement that a difference won't be recognisable at first. However, now that we've got a new CoC and we'll be moderating a lot less leniently than we have the past few months, the difference between the main forums and the FFA sections will be a lot more pronounced.

However, yes, the sections are also meant to act as a place for off-topic community threads (like the weightlifting one in 19's). It's unfortunate that the former kind are more common than the latter but that's not something we can exactly control.

 

[Trialkiller]

Myrm Quote, blah blah.

So why is it acceptable that people like the Turd Burglar go around closing @threads? Does he not know the rules of the CoC? I'm already convinced he's just making personal favors for his little boyfriends and trying to spite people he doesn't like, but I still don't get why blatant hypocrisy and decisions influenced by personal bias towards others is allowed by people who are supposed to be making this a better place for twinks to come. I understand I stir a lot of shit up, I try to keep myself to the FFA sections when I have something to say, but there's really no reason for moderator's to go making sarcastic remarks so they can try to get a rise out of people when they know damn well what they should be doing. MODERATING. If you're unfamiliar with what I'm describing I'd be glad to tell the story of everyone's favorite yellow named F2Peasant and his Turd Burgling.

I understand the site was in a bit of a grey area at the time, with the FFA section being new, but if the FFA section is really supposed to be a place for @threads / insults within reason there shouldn't have been an issue. I think it's pretty obvious the issue wasn't that it was just another @thread, but it was an @thread directed at a person one of the moderator's had feelings for. (They touch eachother's chicken drumsticks)

Don't let vegetarian biased mods shun the other food groups...

 

[Allybeboba]

No, not really.

Stuff like porn / spam obviously won't be allowed but besides that, there will be limited moderating. One of Myrm's brief descriptions of the section.

I obviously do not speak for the staff nor for the majority of the members of the TI. However, the second line in the new CoC does state "these rules apply to all threads..."

Of course, this is exactly why threads such as this exist. And also why there is a small period in leniency. So these matters can be discussed rationally.

Should only be for deals made through TI, other wise it gets messy

That much is obvious. TI has no control over what someone does outside it's domain. They just can not be responsible being the "3rd person" in a scam situation. Otherwise the website can be culpable.

 

[Hamcake]

Private servers do "charge" if you choose to go that route.
...
All "good" private servers have their own website and their own forums. I don't know why he keeps pushing it here. Kronos even has a little twinking section on their website.

I don't know any pay 2 play servers, let alone any within the scope of twinking. A server's own site and forums don't fulfill the same purpose as a discussion board on a niche website such as this.