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    (I have received a moderators approval on this and its 100% within the Rules and they have helped me correct the parts that weren't within the rules)

    Hello Twinks, I am making this thread due to the fact one of my very good friends (and my biggest fan) thread getting locked due to violation of the XPOFF rules.
    I am therefore writing this one in what I know will be a clean thread,promoting positivity, competitiveness, hopefully some interesting conversations and also hopefully some motivation.
    I am requesting that you (you the reader smileyface) don't derail this thread, try your very hardest not to cause drama, and keep it clean, positive and on topic so that it can be enjoyed by everyone who wishes to use it and give their opinion etc.

    [LORE] (skip if u want)

    Alright so lets start at the beginning to see how the bracket has evolved, I'm watching my good friends stream and he is leveling a tauren hunter on Skullflame, a long with other people also leveling 19 twinks with names I recognized so I decided I would make one there to play with some players I haven't spoke or played with in a long time and I decided I would message my good friend and biggest fan lild to come play here.

    After speaking to D for a while, I basically cornered him into making a priest as I've known D a while now and coached him to near perfection on priest and didn't want to have to do that on another class. D wanted to play a mage, but no he made a priest as he knew it was the best decision he would ever make.

    A month later, we (Skullflame) had a nice little 10 man going, ready and excited for games sadly every guild we had challenged had dodged us and the only 'real' games we got were when we would queue a 3 man into a 7+ man and have to stall the game out for long enough to get enough players in to actually be able to 'play' the game. We went undefeated in any even match up and prob had above 95% win rate in uneven ones also.

    But we're active, really active. For around a month or so we had 5+ people online literally 24/7. Most of the games we played were 5 min stomps whether we queued 2,5,10. Didn't really matter. There was some drama involving one player on our team (yes discord drama xddddddddddddddddd) he ends up leaving discord and basically threw games by not joining voice calls and also not having a good understanding of classic so he was going off his own instinct while also having no experience at classic 19s.

    I myself and basically everyone else who felt strongly about this went mental at him in guild chat and the guild basically slowly collapsed after that. We couldn't find a replacement FC or think of one and I think we could only find 2. We contacted both but..yeah nothing really happened.

    Skullflame gang all went their different ways, some stayed playing classic 19s on diff servers, some went to retail, some even went to Habbo Hotel in search of a middle aged unemployed women who would send feet pics.

    While skullflame had split up, the ones who stayed on classic from Silverwing Sentinels basically made a new guild with the players who wanted to premade called <uwu tang clan>, they played vs the german boys, and another guild on mirageraceway horde and the games for the most part were quite even, though uwu were a little bit a head I think. Not sure.

    At this point there was a little pandemic thing (nothing to worry about) going on, I was bored I saw a very famous streamer who i think was good friends with Mitch Jones stream a lot of 19s, I messaged my biggest fan D/lild and say 'yo im gonna go carry this guy coz he seems nice, u coming or nah' - he said 'ye but im not playing priest' - so i said 'ok ur on ur own cuz' he replied with 'bet', a couple of days later I see a level 10 mage in stormwind with a solid 200 health with the name "Iild" bopping about chasing down every night elf female within trade district. He told me he was making "money moves" and would fund himself and "dw about it".
    i.e he was gonna transfer his main 58? at the time - over here with all the boe pieces he needed, flip some for gold and leech dungeon and quest runs for the few pieces he needed.

    In between him leveling from 10-19, he was involved in some games vs huge stacked premade comps (while playing with awful ones also he was like 10-12 in these games) but came out winning every single 1, 1 being a bunch of consuming world buffed rogues and 1 being a 9 man premade from 1 specific guild. We beat both the consuming world buff one (was like 6 consuming world buffed rogues, an fc who consumed, and others who also consumed) into our little 4? or 5? man including a level 12 mage, a 18 warlock, and a half geared hunter XD, we won 3-2 or 3-1 I forget after 2 hours and 12 minutes or so.
    We beat the 9 man guild,, with a half geared hunter, a level 10 mage and also not the best comp ( we did have 10 from our guild however) - they had 9 from their guild and 1 fully world buffed consuming 19 rogue.We won 3-0 in less than 20 minutes, cant remember exactly how long. This resulted in me, saying a couple of rude, toxic and mean things which I shouldn't have said as I thought it would cause some competitive games and people would WANT to beat me, it basically had the opposite effect and made it so these players (like 3 of their co-gms/officers) refused to play against my guild in an organised 10v10 wargame as I was toxic?
    Also lild was toxic I think and Powerlol fished in their pools or something and he was also blacklisted. They would only play vs our guild if me lild and powerlol were blacklisted as we were all toxic players or something a long those lines. (Eventually we played them and beat them 3-0 in like 20something mins I think)

    After a couple weeks of deciding what we're gonna do as a guild to keep the bracket alive, someone(big quack and i mentioned the idea to Technique and some others) had the genius idea of talking to EVERY guild's high ranking members and finally decided on making Pyrewood the EU twink hub for both factions, with everyone transferring here and practically killing off every other realm's guilds, effectively giving us a monopoly on when games are gonna be played and how they're gonna be played, meaning games should happen more frequently and won't be blacklisted due to 'toxic' people saying mean words and will hopefully help improve the less experienced/worse players who want to get better!
    So that's where we at today woo :)

    [BEST OF LIST] (not skippable ok)
    In this next section i'm going to show you who I think is the 'best of' in EU 19s. I'd encourage you to follow a similar format and not only list your friends, but people you really see doing well that you believe are the best with a little explanation with them.


    Rogues:
    Ritaorairl: This guy Ondura basically played with me on horde before making his alliance rogue and he saw what I did and basically attempted to mirror it but clearly can't copy literal PERFECTION. Really solid player, good understanding of both the gulch, and his class and class mechanics. Really influences pugs very smart player. Can't really say he has a single flaw in terms of him as a player.

    Quackbestuae: i pwn big

    Priests:
    Wandgirlx: Really smart player, known as an insane multi-classer in later expansions. Really solid priest player plays it close to perfect with positioning and every global also. Really good player all round, shame he is too afraid to use a mic.

    Mumpls: Basically Uwu Tang Clans only dispel, so he has a lot more pressure on him than our other priest (Powerlol), has good mechanics, really good understanding of WSG, would probably stand out a lot more on other classes, but he's not a bad priest nonetheless.

    lild: this kid basically thinks he's Hydra, Koopser and Shadylove all in one- Basically a mixture of all these multi rank one priests. In fairness he can probably get away with this ego, this man had so many handicaps with gear and irl sitting on a box, playing with 18 fps and still one of the best mechanical players I've seen in my life. Really smart player as well, good mentality towards learning, but tilts easier than me in 99% of situations, which is his only down side.

    Nev: this little french man plays classic priest really insane, but has scuffed gear coz hes lazy baguette also impossible to understand with his paris accent but thats ok

    Ondura: (aka ritaorairl) just a really solid priest all round, doesn't really make positioning mistakes or use the wrong globals, good priest one of the best but doesn't play it as much.

    Mages:
    lild: this kid basically thinks he's Raiku, Trice and Maro all in one - Basically a mixture of all these multi rank one mages. In fairness he can probably get away with this ego, this man had so many handicaps with gear and irl eating once every three days, playing classic on an xbox 360 and still one of the best mechanical players I've seen in my life. Really smart player as well, good mentality towards learning, but tilts easier than me in 99% of situations, which is his only down side.

    Vianco: everyone knows this guy is one of the best 19s to ever play 19s, super smart wow player at any level any class any bracket any expansion, he'll pick it up super quick, shame he can't pick up a good mic prob a better chance of me understanding Nev speaking french than Vianco trynna talk to me on discord. Really insane player though, doesn't tilt too much either and picks classes and metas up super easily and quickly. Basically the ideal player - if he had a mic smh.

    Nev: yes the little french man also pwns on his mage, really exploits what its capable of, never really does the wrong thing in a game ever but has scuffed gear, scuffed internet, scuffed mic, scuffed country scuffed set up, still plays extremely good. Pre Cata is basically his bread and butter, he can play basically any class with a bit of practise.

    Gurke: this little german man basically the same level as Nev just good internet and bis gear. Really like playing with him, good mentality, good understanding of classic 19s and also wsg. Really smart and good player, funny little german man gets a thumbs up from me.

    Warlocks:
    Nicozy: this electronic scooter using greta thunberg socialist has the most patience I've ever seen though he gets angry super quick he still sticks games out doesn't AFK them even if they're not in his favor and he solo queues on warlock like wtf, plays it super good, arguably the best understanding of WSG, insane shotcaller, doesn't get enough credit on his streams, all the newbies and inexperienced players should watch him. He basically raised me since I was 11, so any complaints with me being the best player in the world or my easy tilt factor - take them up with uncle nico - really smart player.

    Latex: another danish man with a sick understanding of WSG, he also players hunter really good but I've never seen him play it in a real game because he always has to play lock LMAO - super smart guy, really good mentality, if this guy try harded anything he could probably be insane at it. Really smart player, really good player, presses corruption good thumbs up.

    Irriterende: ed sheeran plays lock really well, never really gets to show what he's able to truly do because he's more burnt out with classic 19s than me, has 0 luck when fishing - but an all round insane mechanical player, decent understanding of Warsong, insane mechanics on every class he plays, good mentality, really intelligent person and player. Known this grandad for years and have never seen him play a class badly or poorly. Always considered one of the best players, with good reason.

    Hunters:
    Quackbesteu: whenever my internet isnt cutting out

    Skeezin: skeen aka blue van man is known for having the best screenshots of wow scenarios and player names you'll ever see. He is a really insane mechanical player, not very vocal but super good at classic 19 hunter, does maths behind every single piece of gear and also forms alliances with 12 year old dwarf warriors. Plays it really well, good understanding of warsong, always willing to learn and picks things up quickly also.

    Technique: when I saw his name for the first time in a gulch I thought he was gonna be as dodgy as he was back in cata on his paladin, but dont fk with him - this guy has awareness of where every single player is in WSG at all times, he's super vocal, super willing to learn, doesn't ever tilt, his hunter mechanics are decent and when he's not getting robbed of Fishing Hats or trying to get 13 pairs of leggings of the fang to have every single libram on each of them, he performs insane on hunter. One of the best players improvements I've seen in my life, with a little bit of focus and a bit more experience in real games this guy could easily be one of the best leaders in the bracket.

    Tnakra: basically summed this guy up on his priest post, probably better known for playing hunter especially in later expansions this little german is nutty, dont fk around with shoeswinger, really smart person and player one of the best players to ever touch the bracket.

    Latex: basically summed this guy on his warlock post!

    Warriors:
    Cennix: didn't know who this guy was till a few months ago, but he is so mechanically smart it's crazy, also does the maths behind every single piece of gear, willing to learn and listen always, never has a bad mentality or a bad day, always consistent with his level in the gulch, ideal player again to have on your team. Really smart guy, really good friend, really good player.

    Tohzt: this man fought in World War 1 and 2 and get's no credit, he is exactly 127 years old and is still one of the best mechanical warriors and apparently was in TBC also, he may struggle to find discords, hang up in calls, do spine of deathwing in BFA, understand sarcasm and complain he doesn't understand youngsters lingo, however none of that should discredit his warrior play. he is an insane warrior in the gulch, doesn't have the very best gulch knowledge due to basically never playing real games, but his warrior mechanics are definitely up there. Insane warrior.

    Zimt: this little german gnome is a known european player, he's been around for expansions and always been considered good, I never really paid attention playing with him in pugs, but once you're versus him you realize how saucy this little man is, playing mechanically perfect in every pug, understanding every single thing about warrior, and from what I've heard (but not sure of) he's a really solid shotcaller too. Sadly never get to play with this man but yes he deserves credit for sure.

    Ondura: me and this guy know the struggles of playing 3 man offence into 6 man defence with a male undead rogue, but I'm glad it was with this man, really smart player with classic 19s, I've explained before, but he is a really good multi-classer, awful taste in crisps though.

    Shamans:
    Kebabx: known trigs since late 2017 or early 2018 divorced alcoholic accountant - known for not calling his bolts and being the reason we wipe mid and wearing the same wifebeater vest for 3 months in a row, playing with this guy with some of the worst players to ever play the bracket but we stuck it out together. Really smart guy irl, really smart player in game, really good friend, great understanding of the meta and the gulch. Helped me understand Vanilla when I first played it. When he's sober he's a mess, plays better intoxicated thankfully he drinks 13 litres of Vodka in a coffee mug everyday.

    Paladins:
    Fhayr: only played vs him a few times and with him even less, he plays his class well though, seems like a nice guy, can't really comment too much on him but he is definitely worthy of being called one of the best paladins in the bracket.

    Mumpls: some people say he shines better on paladin than priest, which I can understand. I think he plays both pretty well, really good understanding of classic 19s and the gulch as I said before, definitely deserves to be up here on paladin.

    Blackhaze: daz founded twinking in 2003 when Vanilla Alpha was out, known for making a WoW board game, commentating multiple twink and non twink relating events, wanting to swap targets with a 20 second countdown into a double roll, this man (though people meme about it) really has done a lot for twinking over the years. Doesn't get enough credit but yeah - He gears paladin the way I think it should be geared. Played with him a few games and performs quite well on paladin. Not a lot of paladins gear it this way so therefore its basically a free spot for Blackout.

    Druids:
    Finner: When I first played vs this fucker the first 3 days on my rogue he used to emote spam me when i sapped him out of bear form and used to rocket boots vs me, since then he has become one of the best pug FCs I've seen in my life, I think D summed him up pretty well so if I may quote him "Honestly the best pug FC in this bracket (probably across both regions) and it's not even close, the only streamer that can consistently pull 15+ viewers with no cam/voice and if you tune in you'll see why, i've never seen an FC that never struggles under pressure like this guy, commits basically no mistakes and just reads all situations perfectly, i'm not a big fan of jumps in this meta but I can't sit here and ignore the fact he's the best jumper in the bracket."
    I definitely couldn't have phrased it any better. Really nice guy also.

    Loone: Another fucker I faced as I was leveling my rogue actually, nearly killed this man when I was level 15 because he was trolling like a monkey and like he always does on stream/when he's intoxicated but I love playing with this guy in wargames, listens really well, always willing to learn, as D said 'has 0 ego' you can't hate him whether you think he's good or not. Too much happiness with this guy and you can tell its not forced like some people. God bless this mans soul.one of the few reasons I haven't lost faith in humanity yet. But yeah plays druid really well in wargames when he's listening to me, I helped him with a few minor things I don't think he thought about before me, and he's improved an awful lot since then. This guy is an ideal FC you want in your life if he stopped trynna do jumps randomly when hes got 5 people on him and he's intoxicated at 50% health running from his team, he's dangerous!

    A couple players I didn't list on any class because they don't really have a main but play all the classes they have insanely good are people like Vulpz.
    Known Vulpz since I played vs him back in January and even back then I gave him credit for being good, playing with him he's insanely good mechanically on any class you put him on. He doesn't play 19s anymore, which is sad but I got love for this guy, always been nice to me always understood me and insane on every single class he plays could probably play any bracket in any expansion with a bit of practice.

    Special Shoutouts
    policecar (this guy has 1 out of 40 twinks bis, but has really good WSG knowledge but isn't exceptional on any class but always worth having someone like this on ur team, he isn't confident in his shot calling but he should be)
    sisterjack/op
    hockenheim
    mistletoe
    rocket/pechfc (this guys is rly good but isn't consistent with his game play and doesn't have the best attitude sometimes)
    towell
    odell
    enabledlol
    Viaz
    vulpz
    spanish jonez
    doodlebeans

    mixture of
    players who have become a lot better
    good players who don't play a lot but were good when they played
    people who could be good if they stopped using speedpot and rocket boots and played with their team instead of trying to play on their own
    and different things like that

    List of some of the names of my favorite people to pug with
    lild, policecar, technique,
    arkant, nicozy, skeezin,
    loone, jack, chris,
    trigs, tristan, reece,
    vianco, ondura, powerlol,
    sprintboy,verum,baldi
    and honestly the list could go on.

    made this thread to highlight a few things

    the history of the bracket from my pov
    who i think are the best active players in my opinion with explanation
    showing some players with good potential
    showing some of my good friends in this little bracket
    coz overall I think we need to give more credit and also more love in this bracket and this world
    also a big shout out to all the people who stopped using every single world buff and consumable, i see u people out there trynna keep the bracket clean
    please post your best of lists below etc etc and don't derail this thread and get it locked :)


    yes there is prob 500 grammar and spelling mistakes i literally cba correcting them sry
     
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  2. the great gringo

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    do you really not have anything better to do with your time hahahaha holy shit

    can you imagine sitting up at 4 am typing up a whole book about something literally no one cares about only to have it locked right after? and what do you do when it gets locked? beg your boyfriend to repost it for you hahahahahaha i'm literally LMAOing at you in real life right now

    i wish you all the best in life and i hope you beat your world of warcraft addiction at some point

    here are some sites that might help you out:

    https://www.video-game-addiction.org/

    https://gamequitters.com/video-game-addiction/

    https://americanaddictioncenters.org/video-gaming-addiction
     
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    Chops Soccer Dad Moderator

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    Its like watching a dude bomb at an open mic and then just doubling down by telling the same joke again
     
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    is it my fault that the same exact thread that was locked earlier today got locked and is now reposted?

    if anything it's your responsibility as a mod to not allow reposts to happen, please be more careful next time
     
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    Chops Soccer Dad Moderator

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    woooooosh
     
  6. the great gringo

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    woops sorry, thought you were talking about me in your first post friend
     
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    Big up my active twinkers xo
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 10, 2020, Original Post Date: Jul 10, 2020 ---
    stay active anexa, keep the bracket alive ❤️
     
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    Leave me out from this guy's topic. Thank you in advice
    Btw, the bracket died as soon as you pulled out twinks from different realms to merge into your RP realm.

    Lead figures of X realm leaves --> less organized --> majority quits logging in.

    Then head figures of the RP realm leaves to the 39 bracket. Well played there people, but it hardly affects me as I e-predicted it, hence why I recorded to begin with - nor did I transfer to your rp realm.
     
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    iaccidentallytwink Guild Master

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    tldr
     
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    Aye tldr pis?
     
  11. Bestworld

    Bestworld MBA

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    On an objective note, you blow your own horn way too much. Also with literally no explanation. Even when you talk about others who I can agree with that are actually INSANE players (don't even have to play classic to know this, but simply knowing the people is enough as I've played with and against them for years), you still somehow make it about you.

    But literally all memes aside, I can easily see why people form so strong opinions about you for good and bad. You're a very hit or miss guy for many reasons. I've seen you keep a nice guy act for a while, but it never lasts too long.

    People who know you from a distance won't really be affected much by your "controversial character" as you referred it to in the past, but the bracket tends to be small and close-knit, so run-ins will happen sooner or later.

    So while I think the actions taken against you and your guild were kinda OMEGALUL, I'm also not surprised by it. Especially if the bracket is alive enough to the point where people can have the luxury of being selective.

    I've known you since you were way too young to probably play as well as I've seen you play in recent past (druid - dps - retail - exclusively). However, you kept evolving (as a player), and I believe a lot of that came down to the passion you showed for the bracket since day one, and wanting to be better. I doubt classic is any different for you as a player.

    Now I can only dream that you will evolve as a person the same way you did as a player.

    I've known D as well, and while his character can draw a few similarities to yours, he doesn't put on the obnoxious side unless:

    1) He absolutely has to for one reason or another.
    2) Just straight up trolling - where you kinda have to know him to maybe get it 100%.

    He doesn't get in people's faces half as much or as strongly as you do (at least initially). He doesn't care THAT much. However, he will back up his crew ultimately, so if you keep the attitude, D will back you up. Always.
     
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    u realize the problem with this right or are you that stupid
     
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    Bestworld MBA

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    If you're referring to that being subjective, then just go over your own post again and see how often you either list yourself or make talking about another player still be about yourself, ultimately. Giving opinions about a player only has to involve what you've observed. No need for:

    "I've coached, told or taught x player".
    "been raised by x (who is known to be insane)".

    It's only pulling for self-validation, and it's blatantly obvious.
     
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    the only person u could argue i coached is loone, the rest is sarcasm. my apologies if u dont understand that.
     
  15. the great gringo

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    was it also sarcasm that you listed yourself like 2 times in a best of list even though you're garbage at the game?
     
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    Bestworld MBA

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    Okay, then take the lore section. That can't be all sarcasm for sure, else it's just a troll post at this point.
    It's the whole need about talking about yourself and your achievements.

    Where's the guide part in all this? Guide to opinions? Guide to knowing the players in the bracket? It just seems like a detailed "best of". You even made the lore part skippable - which is an explanation of turn of events, not really a guide on anything.
     
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    what is wrong with you
    like what happened
     
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    someone lock this thread for the second time please, the op is obviously incapable of replying with anything meaningful and the post itself is just cringe as fuck
     
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    Imagine writing a whole paragraph on why someone is good on a level 19 with 3 buttons in classic
     
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