110/111 Fury Gear Crafting

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  1. necroaqua

    necroaqua Dedicated Guide Author

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    Hey all,

    With the azerite traits and how to get 295s being covered, I wanted to explore logic for an individual class/spec. I'm hoping that people will make similar threads for the classes they are interested in and we'll be able to build a list of discussions to help people out and help out threads like this: https://xpoff.com/threads/azerite-traits.81086

    I'm building a fury warrior. Trying to figure out the traits, leggos, and possible 2pc set bonuses that would be relevant for both PvP and PvE (island expeditions, solo dungeons, etc). I don't know how well fury is doing at fast clearing IE - it seems to have limited aoe (whirlwind and bladestorm are good, but whirlwinds buff making the next 2 attacks hit multiple targets is limited to target+4), but probably has some decent sustain. Dunno about pulling the whole island and surviving it though. So I'll mostly focus on pvp oriented options.

    Azerite (main trait):




    Azerite (second trait):



    With those options in mind, I'm inclined to get at least one reckless fury. I'm not sure about the best other options (including additional reckless fury). I'm not sure how well the pvp traits are doing, how often certain things are proccing, and how useful various stat buffs are.

    For enchants, most guides (pve and pvp as far as I can tell) suggest a haste and mastery navigation enchant. Those tend to be our best traits for damage at max level. Siphoning is an option, as leech can be VERY useful in both pvp and doing aoe pve pulls.

    Legendaries:
    With pvp, movement speed is pretty powerful, so we have some options there. Healing is also pretty strong. Doesn't seem to be a lot of good damage options. I'm leaning towards some combination of sephuz, rethus, aggramar's stride, and maybe mannoroths...? Dunno about Najentus's vertebrae for islands...

    So with those options in mind, theres two builds I see:
    First is the standard haste/mastery build. See Lebkuchen and Zaza for armories. Movespeed legendaries. Scroll helm the primary trait isn't super amazing, but is a good option for the second trait shield. Not sure about the other legendaries.


    Second is a crit build. See Rumpthumper. Not sure well it works due to the crit nerf in pvp (150% dmg). But bloodcraze and thunderous blast add some reliable crits. Might work well with swirling sands crit buff to keep it going. Legendary legs add additional rage for rampage crits.


    So my thoughts on azerite traits/paths...

    Helm -
    Shoulders -
    Chest -


    Now the hard part of actually picking which to use...will hopefully come back and edit this later with my choices

    Any thoughts/comments/advice?



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    From this discussion, this is what I'm currently looking at:

    Azerite gear that provides 1x https://www.wowhead.com/spell=278758, 1x https://www.wowhead.com/spell=275632, and at least 1x https://www.wowhead.com/spell=270568/resounding-protection. See https://xpoff.com/threads/110-111-fury-gear-crafting.81323/#post-1122804 for some possible horde/ally paths to achieve that.

    Legendaries should focus on movement or healing. Some combination of...
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=132443/aggramars-stride - movespeed
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=132452/sephuzs-secret - movespeed and haste, increases on interupt
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=146667/rethus-incessant-courage - Crafted piece (so easy to buy rather than farm 1000 essence) with movespeed OR healing, 3 sockets make this very strong at 111
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=137107/mannoroths-bloodletting-manacles - very strong PVE healing for tanking lots of mobs

    If possible, grab the 2pc set bonus from Antorus. Gloves and either Cloak/Legs. Upgraded mythic gear is BiS anyways, so might as well grab the tier.
     
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  2. Shadesofred

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    I can't really comment too much on pvp for fury warrior but I can comment on PVE. I've grinded a decent amount of islands and have been selling dungeons runs with fury and have quite a bit of experience on it. My warrior is a 111 twink armory here: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/proudmoore/Iexplodelike . I take Aggramar's and the Crafted belt with full haste/mastery build. If you take siphoning on at least 1 of your weapons it gives you nearly 9% leech which is all the healing you'll need.

    This build allows you to run extremely fast, especially while enraged and gives you enough damage to easily solo dungeons and Islands. I do however recommend prot for Islands with the same stat and legendary set ups as getting ccd for even a second on fury is an instant death. Perhaps a haste/versatility build might be the answer to that problem but I haven't tested it personally. And I do 100% recommend taking at least 1 trait with reckless fury, it usually accounts for at least 13% of my damage pretty consistently on single target.

    Hopefully this helps a bit, sorry I don't have any info on the pvp side of things.
     
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  3. Namanir

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    Haste means you don't run out of rage. Mastery makes it all hit harder.

    FWTW I used to run a higher crit build and it just felt lousy. Especially since enrage is no longer tied to crit.

    Oh, you also enrage faster with more haste, so there's that.
     
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    Great stuff. Do you have any info on prot traits? Do you just use the same azerite pieces, or switch out to others at 280 or something?

    Agreed. Haste makes so much more sense, despite big crits being fun to see.
     
  5. Elemental Force

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    The wrists are pretty good atleast for arms if you equip the whirlwind legendary with them since you will be spending 30 rage per whirlwind you will heal for 3% each time and your health is about 50k so you will heal 1.5k each time. Then for trash you also hit additional time with whirlwind but this hit does not grant the heal (ofc.) But I would say you still need leech too with arms atleast can't say about fury because I haven't tried it. Also how is ur single target sim dps?
     
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    Currently building horde and alliance paths. If you faction switch you can figure out the best of both and get 2x reckless fury. Sea Scroll Helm is always available and has resounding protection. These are the pieces you would pick last to get the 295 versions.

    Horde:

    Nazmir Path - Reckless Fury Helm. Choose between chests based on pvp or azerite fortification.


    Voldun Path - Reckless Fury Shoulders. After that you would probably take the helm for voldun2 (choose between using that helm and sea scroll helm) and one of the chests - either pvp or for azerite fortification...? I'm tempted to go this route as it keeps the sea scroll helm as an option and has more chest options.



    Alliance:
    Stormsong path. Use Reckless Fury shoulders, sea scroll helm, and one of the chest options.

    Tirigarde path. Use Reckless Fury shoulders, probably chest from Tirigarde2, and then whatever you want for the last piece (any pvp piece, or a different chest option).
     
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  7. Namanir

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    Oh, I completely forgot about legendaries. I use the speed ones because I like to go fast. No real opinion on the others except that the Battlelord's Ring is poop for Fury. Execute hits like a wet noodle.

    Oh, I do have an opinion on Mannorath's bracers- they unlock Fury Tanking, in that you're basically unkillable in any PvE situation that isn't a raid boss (and depending on mechanics even that isn't necessarily true.

    Mythic dungeons become a breeze, regular dungeons are laughable. It's a 7.5% heal for Fury every single time you Rampage.

    Also, azerite traits- I'm using simmering rage and pulverizing blows I see- Rampage is going to be about 35-40% of your dps, guaranteed. Go for traits that boost it. I've used bloodcraze and it's just not as good. Bloodthirst hits like a wet noodle. If you're desperate for more healing you might wanna go with it, but the globes of primary stat proc very consistently.

    That's also why I don't run with Trample the Weak- just not as good and doesn't improve Rampage as much. I've got one piece of gear with the auto-attack buff, and I'm not seeing it. Rampage just hits so hard that buffing any other attack seems ludicrous.

    Whoops, forgot to add- even with my lower crit (I still have like 33%), you see some amazing crits. Each blow from Rampage can crit and when they do they hit for like 4-6k. You really get the feeling you're mowing people down.
     
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    necroaqua

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    Good to hear with the bracers. Definitely sounds like speed/heals are the key things to pick up from legendaries.

    Yeah rampage and rampage traits are really good. Reckless fury itself is really good with the sheer amount it adds to autos. The recklessness CD reduction is solid too. I'll have to see what the breakdown of damage is with and without it. Yeah, I don't like Trample the Weak (too limited in scope) or bloodthirst for damage. And yeah, crits are definitely fun. My guess is that the lost haste/mastery *really* hurts though. Less enrage and less autos and longer cooldowns for stuff. Add in that you take 10% less damage in pvp when enraged with the right trait. Its hard to tell what the balance should be.

    I'm pretty sure I'm going with 1x Reckless Flurry, 1x Pulverising blows (probably), and then whatever for the 3rd piece. With at least 1 resounding protection shield. Unsure if I want with 2x of those shields or how strong azerite fortification is for islands/pvp.
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 6, 2018, Original Post Date: Nov 6, 2018 ---
    With a bit more time now, I'd also like to check take a quick look at legion 2pc set bonuses. Linking an arbitrary piece to see the bonus...

    T19 (Nighthold): https://www.wowhead.com/item=138357/warhelm-of-the-obsidian-aspect&bonus=3514:1472
    Increases all damage by 4%. This used to be raging blows further increasing bloodthirst's chance to crit - but with bloodthirst no long having base crit, I think its been switched. I'm guessing we would lose more than 4% by dropping down to T19 gear. Probable pass.

    T20 (Tomb of Sargeras): https://www.wowhead.com/item=147190/titanic-onslaught-greathelm&bonus=3563:1498
    Bloodthirst critical strikes have a 50% chance to grant you Raging Thirst, increasing the damage of your Raging Blow by 50% for 8 sec. Not very exciting. Has some synergy with bloodcraze azerite talent, but is honestly just lackluster.


    T21 (Antorus): https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=152181/juggernaut-helm&bonus=3610:1472
    Rampage causes the target to bleed for an additional 18% of the direct damage dealt to the target over 4 sec. This isn't too bad. Rampage deals lots of damage, even more with pulverizing blows. Not a crazy increase, but since we don't lose much going for it - its probably worth trying to get this.

    So the antorus set bonus is probably worth getting, especially since you're looking at upgraded mythic antorus gear anyways for BiS. None of the set pieces interfere with our usual legendaries - so we can choose any of them. Gloves have the ideal haste/mastery, and then choose between the cloak (haste/verse) and legs (crit/verse).
     
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    Rampage bleed does about 7-8% of my total damage.
     
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    necroaqua

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    So it sounds like the conclusions I'm seeing are...

    Haste + Master for desired secondaries.

    Azerite gear that provides 1x https://www.wowhead.com/spell=278758, 1x https://www.wowhead.com/spell=275632, and at least 1x https://www.wowhead.com/spell=270568/resounding-protection. Possible paths: https://xpoff.com/threads/110-111-fury-gear-crafting.81323/#post-1122804

    Legendaries should focus on movement or healing probably. Some combination of...
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=132443/aggramars-stride - movespeed
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=132452/sephuzs-secret - movespeed and haste, increases on interupt
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=146667/rethus-incessant-courage - Crafted piece (so easy to buy rather than farm 1000 essence) with movespeed OR healing, 3 sockets make this very strong at 111
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=137107/mannoroths-bloodletting-manacles - very strong PVE healing for tanking lots of mobs

    And then grab the 2pc set bonus from Antorus. Gloves (haste/mastery) and either Cloak/Legs. Upgraded mythic gear is best, but H for the set bonus works and is easier to get.
     
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    On my 110 fury I'm going for an annoying crazy self healing build for wpvp mostly. But before I even start, you may want to pay attention to traits that are being changed / removed / added come 8.1, the Bloodcraze trait for example is being replaced with a new trait that leeches health from your target when bloodthirst crits them.

    Anyways, my build once I'm done will consist of two of that new trait, the leggo Manny bracers, Rethu's belt, and the ToS four piece set. For that you need to give up an azerite piece and since shoulders give the least amount of stats, I'm sacrificing them.

    The 4p bonus makes your next bloodthirst after you use raging blow deal 50% more damage and heal for 50% more. This stacks up to 10 times.

    Now add all of that healing onto the already good healing fury has and you can see how annoying it would be to duel. Now this build isn't by any means great for pve content or ipvp but it's just something a little fun you can run for duels.
     
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    I'll hop on the ptr later to see if I didn't dream this, but my reckless flurry piece went from "adds 374 damage to autoattacks" to "adds 69 damage to autoattacks" so it's possible that's a trait you no longer want to go for.

    Edit: My current reckless flurry piece adds 272 to autoattacks and the ptr one adds 67 so I was pretty close. Not sure if that changes opinions at all.
     
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    Now I'm obsessed, so I'll dig into this when I'm off work, but it might actually be better to stack pulverizing blows than the base rampage damage increase (unless rage is becoming an issue)- the way they're both worded, pulverizing blows increases the damage of each rampage swing (of which there are four) and the other just boosts total rampage damage.
     

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