A lot of this original info is from before 8.1. To see new theorycrafting and conclusions, look here: https://xpoff.com/threads/110-111-fury-gear-crafting.81323/#post-1132427 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hey all, With the azerite traits and how to get 295s being covered, I wanted to explore logic for an individual class/spec. I'm hoping that people will make similar threads for the classes they are interested in and we'll be able to build a list of discussions to help people out and help out threads like this: https://xpoff.com/threads/azerite-traits.81086 I'm building a fury warrior. Trying to figure out the traits, leggos, and possible 2pc set bonuses that would be relevant for both PvP and PvE (island expeditions, solo dungeons, etc). I don't know how well fury is doing at fast clearing IE - it seems to have limited aoe (whirlwind and bladestorm are good, but whirlwinds buff making the next 2 attacks hit multiple targets is limited to target+4), but probably has some decent sustain. Dunno about pulling the whole island and surviving it though. So I'll mostly focus on pvp oriented options. Azerite (main trait): https://www.wowhead.com/spell=278758 - seems to be the best 120 PvE talent. multiple traits increase autos, but don't reduce recklessness CD more than a single trait https://www.wowhead.com/spell=273790 - (horde only IIRC) provides good single target damage at 120 as well, unsure of scaling to 110 or proc-rate https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280380 - while nerfed, still an option https://www.wowhead.com/spell=275632 - better for multi-target, pairs well with https://www.wowhead.com/spell=213857/battle-trance if you take that as a pvp talent https://www.wowhead.com/spell=273420 - not amazing since bloodthirst doesn't need to crit to enrage, but might pair well in a crit build? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=281841 - (ally only) mastery buff https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280410 - (horde only) mastery buff https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280429 - (horde only) crit buff https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280598 - (or ally equiv) str buff on random ability proc, or when an ally dies near you. Might be good in BGs...? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280577 - (or ally equiv) haste/crit buff, procs more in pvp. Hard to tell how much better it is in pvp, cause its really meh pve Azerite (second trait): https://www.wowhead.com/spell=270568/resounding-protection - Gotta love the shield. In general very strong. Also helps prevent dazes. https://www.wowhead.com/spell=270659/azerite-fortification - CC is fairly common in both pvp and IE pulls. https://www.wowhead.com/spell=270655/bulwark-of-the-masses - an option for pve farming https://www.wowhead.com/spell=270654/impassive-visage - consistent healing https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280211/bury-the-hatchet - loads a shield into victory rush. Unsure how useful it is in practice https://www.wowhead.com/spell=270653/longstrider - gives speed With those options in mind, I'm inclined to get at least one reckless fury. I'm not sure about the best other options (including additional reckless fury). I'm not sure how well the pvp traits are doing, how often certain things are proccing, and how useful various stat buffs are. For enchants, most guides (pve and pvp as far as I can tell) suggest a haste and mastery navigation enchant. Those tend to be our best traits for damage at max level. Siphoning is an option, as leech can be VERY useful in both pvp and doing aoe pve pulls. Legendaries: https://www.wowhead.com/item=137107/mannoroths-bloodletting-manacles - Heals based on rage spent. You will spend a decent bit of rage, not sure if this is enough. https://www.wowhead.com/item=137087/najentuss-vertebrae - aoe...might be great for island pulls https://www.wowhead.com/item=151824/valarjar-berserkers - for a crit build? https://www.wowhead.com/item=132443/aggramars-stride - movespeed buff https://www.wowhead.com/item=132452/sephuzs-secret - movespeed AND 2% haste AND superboosts them on interupt https://www.wowhead.com/item=144249/archimondes-hatred-reborn - 30% HP as a shield and then exploding for 75% of the damage done. Might be a solid surivival and dps tool in pvp https://www.wowhead.com/item=144259/kiljaedens-burning-wish https://www.wowhead.com/item=146667/rethus-incessant-courage - 2% health every 3 seconds when enemies are near, or 15% movespeed otherwise. And 3 gemslots (so even better for 111). https://www.wowhead.com/item=137052/ayalas-stone-heart - basically sudden death in an item. Not sure if its worth using or how it interacts with sudden death normally... https://www.wowhead.com/item=137053/kazzalax-fujiedas-fury - bloodthirst increases damage dealt and healing taken for 10s, stacks up to 4 times. This is great in raids when it'll basically always be up and maxed. Not sure how useful it is outside of that... https://www.wowhead.com/item=137088/ceann-ar-charger - we would lose the head azerite slot, so I don't think this is worth it. With pvp, movement speed is pretty powerful, so we have some options there. Healing is also pretty strong. Doesn't seem to be a lot of good damage options. I'm leaning towards some combination of sephuz, rethus, aggramar's stride, and maybe mannoroths...? Dunno about Najentus's vertebrae for islands... So with those options in mind, theres two builds I see: First is the standard haste/mastery build. See Lebkuchen and Zaza for armories. Movespeed legendaries. Scroll helm the primary trait isn't super amazing, but is a good option for the second trait shield. Not sure about the other legendaries. Second is a crit build. See Rumpthumper. Not sure well it works due to the crit nerf in pvp (150% dmg). But bloodcraze and thunderous blast add some reliable crits. Might work well with swirling sands crit buff to keep it going. Legendary legs add additional rage for rampage crits. So my thoughts on azerite traits/paths... Helm - http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=163865 - bloodcraze/secrets of the deep, with resounding protection http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=160861 - (alliance) tradewinds?, with resounding protection http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155323 - (horde) reckless fury, with perhaps longstrider for speed? http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=163674 / http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=163662 - simmering rage or pvp trait, with healing options Shoulders - http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155041 / http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=160880 - (alliance) reckless fury with ok secondaries http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155187 - (alliance) solid primary trait with resounding protection http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155406 - (horde) reckless fury with ok secondaries http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155333 - (horde) haste buff with resounding protection http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=163673 / http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=163661 - pvp trait with healing on stun/knock back secondary Chest - http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=163675 / http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=163663 - primary stat pvp trait or pulverizing blows with resounding protection http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155312 / http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155239 - (horde) pulverizing blows or zone specific primary, with knockback/stun heal secondary http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155166 / http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155093 / http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155020 - (alliance) various primaries with knockback/stun heal http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=155385 - (horde) crit primary with resounding protection Now the hard part of actually picking which to use...will hopefully come back and edit this later with my choices Any thoughts/comments/advice? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From this discussion, this is what I'm currently looking at: Azerite gear that provides 1x https://www.wowhead.com/spell=278758, 1x https://www.wowhead.com/spell=275632, and at least 1x https://www.wowhead.com/spell=270568/resounding-protection. See https://xpoff.com/threads/110-111-fury-gear-crafting.81323/#post-1122804 for some possible horde/ally paths to achieve that. Legendaries should focus on movement or healing. Some combination of... https://www.wowhead.com/item=132443/aggramars-stride - movespeed https://www.wowhead.com/item=132452/sephuzs-secret - movespeed and haste, increases on interupt https://www.wowhead.com/item=146667/rethus-incessant-courage - Crafted piece (so easy to buy rather than farm 1000 essence) with movespeed OR healing, 3 sockets make this very strong at 111 https://www.wowhead.com/item=137107/mannoroths-bloodletting-manacles - very strong PVE healing for tanking lots of mobs If possible, grab the 2pc set bonus from Antorus. Gloves and either Cloak/Legs. Upgraded mythic gear is BiS anyways, so might as well grab the tier.