EU+US 102 for second artifact?

rapind

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So I have a level 101 DK twinked out, but I went with the frost artifact (so much fun open world). I'd like the Blood artifact now though for WoD raids so I'm wondering how much I'll lose in stats if I bump him up to 102. Any ideas on the math guys?

I could just use one of the 810 mugs, but Consumption and Unending Thirst are a pretty big deal right?
 
That's maybe not so bad. I'm sitting at 66% crit, 19% haste, 34% mastery, 21% versatility, 12% leech, 20% avoidance. So the largest loss will be crit, but might be a wash with the Strength & Stam, although I assume the legion mobs would also see their stats go up at 102. For WoD mobs / raids though I would also gain some hit % right?

This is a tough call :)
 
You'll probably regret raising your twink's level. Leveling a new DK as blood, maybe with some pots to increase XP gain, is almost certainly a better option here.
 
rapind said:
Probably, but being able to switch from Frost to Blood is pretty valuable. I wish I could find info on base stat changes per level for legion. My google foo isn't working. @Aelobin where did you get your info?
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Are you 100% positive that the Artifact Weapon (at ~760 iLvL for your 2nd Spec) is superior to the 810 Brewfest Maces? That's literally the only difference between 101 and 102, from the standpoint of being able to swap between Specs with an Artifact Weapon. Your Gear isn't going to change, you won't gain any Talents or Abilities, you'll lose Secondary Stats for a small amount of Stam/Str, etc.

EDIT: I just re-read your OP and see that Blood is the 2nd Arty Wpn you want. You can get a 740 from your Class Order Hall if that helps. Also keep in mind, the sheer grind of trying to Rank up 2 or more Artifact Weapons with limited AP.
 
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What's interesting is that the 810 mugs are significantly less DPS than the Frost artifacts (currently lvl 764). I tested it. I was expecting the mugs to perform better, but I guess the traits are just too powerful, /shrug. The main blood trait (Consumption) is pretty huge, and all of the damage traits are too.

I just tested with the blood using the mug and it's horrible in comparison to using Maw to level my main (110) DK. No doubt due to the single handedness. I'll try with a 740, but I suspect it will really underperform.

So the question is whether it's Ok to lose 11% secondary (plus slightly tougher legion mobs) on my Frost spec in order to gain a more viable blood spec. Meh, I'm going to grab the 102 Maw and see. Good chance I'll regret it, but I'm not too hardcore, really just wanted this guy to mess around in WoD content.
 
In case anyone is interested or finds this thread when considering doing the same thing, here are my stat changes going from 101 to 102 in twink gear.

Primary Stats:
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-- Base Strength: 3,976 -> 4,552 = +576
-- Base Stamina: 2,430 -> 2,783 = +352
-- Base Armor: 3913 -> No Change

Secondary Stats:
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-- Critical: 65.73 -> 59.24 = -6.49
-- Haste: 18.74 -> 16.82 = -1.92
-- Mastery: 33.65 -> 31.29 = -2.36
-- Versatility: 21.20 -> 18.92 = -2.28
-- Leech: 11.70 -> 10.29 = -1.41
-- Avoidance: 20.00 -> No Change

The strength change was a pretty nice bump, and the crit loss not as bad as I was expecting at a little under 10%.

Now I have access to the second artifact weap. Possibly more class order quests too?
 
My 1st DH Twink was 102, forgot about the gains and losses. :p (but I think I've made screenshots for all the stat changes, will try to look them up later).

Some things I do remember (and if someone wishes I can restore her in 15 days):
Crit Rating 101: 122.5 = 1%
Crit Rating 102: 137.5 = 1%

Artifact Relics are higher in Item-Level, so you shouldn't have done any of those 6 Quests before 102.

(As a Demon Hunter I've gained a new Tier of Talents and all of them increase your DPS.)

You gain access to new profession quests.
http://www.wowhead.com/quests/min-req-level:102/max-req-level:102#0+9+1+2

You gain new Champions and Missions for your Class Hall.
 
Just make a new toon or grind a lot of HFC mythics for titanforged weapons
 
Found the screenshots ...
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Havoc Demon Hunter 719 - 101:
Agility - 8762
Stamina - 8536
Attack Power - 8762

Crit - 33.67% (2165 = 17.67%)
Haste - 5.10% (561)
Versatility - 10.99% (1594)
Mastery - 38.47% (3733 = 30.47%)

Havoc Demon Hunter 719 - 102:
Agility - 9121
Stamina - 8912
Attack Power - 9121

Crit - 31.75% (2165 = 15.75%)
Haste - 4.58% (561)
Versatility - 9.81% (1594)
Mastery - 35.15% (3733 = 27.15%)
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(No weapons equipped)
Vengeance Demon Hunter 719 - 101:
Agility - 7865
Stamina - 11076
Attack Power - 10691

Crit - 31.01% (1839 = 15.01%)
Haste - 5.10% (561)
Versatility - 10.99% (1594)
Mastery - 53.89% (3421 = 41.89%)

Vengeance Demon Hunter 719 - 102:
Agility - 8207
Stamina - 11612
Attack Power - 10916

Crit - 29.37% (1839 = 13.37%)
Haste - 4.58% (561)
Versatility - 9.81% (1594)
Mastery - 49.52% (3439 = 27.15%)
 
rapind said:
Still capable of soloing the 4 legions dungeons in frost. Doesn't feel any less OP so far. I think 102 might be a win.
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I'm very interested in your findings. My 101 DK is only 101 for shits and giggles as I don't need (2) 110 DK's and this one is my alliance Toon. I have no issue whatsoever pushing him to 102 if it isn't inferior to 101.
 
Well legion mobs seems to die just as fast. That's not a very scientific analysis though, just doesn't feel any slower (so they still die like instantly). As for WoD mobs / raids I guess it just depends on how the primary stats bump weighs in against the crit / haste hit.

I assume the secondaries matter more because of how blizz squishes stats at 110? Or would a geared 110 be able to solo the same WoD bosses as a twinked 101?
 
rapind said:
I assume the secondaries matter more because of how blizz squishes stats at 110? Or would a geared 110 be able to solo the same WoD bosses as a twinked 101?
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If you're referring to how you do increased damage in older Raids that won't matter for WoD or even MoP. Only Cata and before have that added scaling. That should mean that a well geared 110 (say 850+ iLvL) should be able to solo WoD Raids a little better than a well geared 101/102 (say 830 iLvL) mainly due to the sheer difference in Artifact Weapon.
 
rapind said:
@Aelobin where did you get your info?
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Did /who 102, asked some random guy what his crit rating and % was (not including base), then compared it to my own stat scaling. Calculated an 11% loss but I guess I was slightly off :p

As for 110s vs 101s in soloing WoD raids, I'd say we're about even at the moment after looking at the progression that's been made at both levels. Shouldn't take long for 110 to push ahead once people have had more time to get geared from EN, or at least when the next patch/raid is released.
 
Aelobin said:
Shouldn't take long for 110 to push ahead once people have had more time to get geared from EN, or at least when the next patch/raid is released.
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Don't forget that we will be able to buy more "endgame 101" stuff aswell. So I don't think that 110s will get way stronger or even stronger at all compared to 101. We just have to be lucky enough to buy more 870+ gear. And before they can use 3+ legendaries ...
 
MyPerfection said:
Don't forget that we will be able to buy more "endgame 101" stuff aswell. So I don't think that 110s will get way stronger or even stronger at all compared to 101. We just have to be lucky enough to buy more 870+ gear. And before they can use 3+ legendaries ...
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Way stronger is relative. A 110, 8 months from now that has 40+ Artifact Traits, and average of 890 iLvL (or higher), 1, 2 or even 3 Legendaries, etc will certainly be stronger than the most expensive 101/102 Twink could EVER be. Even after the entire XPac and several Million Gold to acquire the absolute highest iLvL World Epics with 100% Sockets and enough Tertiary to cap Avoidance plus have crazy high Leech and Speed you're still going to be at a disadvantage Gear wise to a fully decked out 110.

Granted I'm speaking from a PvE standpoint. In WPvP that costly 101/102 might actually be capable of regularly defeating 110's, some Classes at least. It's far too early in the Expansion to really tell how things will play out, but certainly 101/102's will be capable of some seriously great feats.
 
DeLindsay said:
but certainly 101/102's will be capable of some seriously great feats.
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Definitely. And maybe our gear will get a new proc-upgrade aswell. Afaik the legendaries will increase to 940 with the next Tier and maybe, baby, those 835+ can upgrade that high in theory (the chance might be a little bit low ^^). We'll see when time moves on.
 
Yeah Blizz said the Legendaries will be upgradable past 900 soon, and they're adding more upgrades to the Craftables iirc. I figure this is all coming in 7.1. Now, with the current 'ceiling' of the 101 World Epics being in theory 895 and that having a 0.00~ chance to proc that Tier of TF, I can't even imagine how low the chance would be to bonus roll to 940 or anything even similar. My guess, all of WoW would see ONE, as in ONE EVER over the course of the entire XPac hit 900+ lol.
 
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