Addressing the Current Situation

The word "twink" has already been corrupted even in-game.
Not to be taken until recent events, since the word twink has caught on, endgame just tell you to level up and get skilled.
Also the term has a .... "different" ... definition outside the WoW community.

I like the XPOff name... and to be honest, it will be pretty easy to catch on in the WoW society.
"XPOff" It's just self explanatory; Your EXP is OFF
Also the term most likely has been used before, I might just start using it
Endgame : Holy shit nice statistics, how did you get them on such toon
Me : Oh, I'm XP Off lol
^ something like that probably happened before this
So props for such a simple yet already known term to name a site



My opinion on this issue here and what I gathered is :
I like the XPOff site.... BUT it would be a HUGE dick move to actually switch traffic to that site...
The fact still stands that Myrm did pay a lot of his money for this Twinkinfo site...
... It's just my moral view... if he payed a lot... he deserves to keep a good site

The only 2 solutions here are (just my opinion)
These 2 sides work off their issues and just help up-bring the Twinkinfo site
OR
XPOff invests as much currency as Myrm did into their site... that would full-fill my moral point of view

just my gay opinion on the matter
completely feel neutral on this... but at the same time I don't give a shit, I rarely play
I just want to see a good community
 
10,000$ for this site? damn, a lot more than I expected...

reality is, ultimately, the guy with the $ is the guy who says what the rules are, until someone richer buys it
 
To me, the main issue is that this domain can no longer generate ad revenue. Instead of creating money that can be put toward the twink cup or even site upkeep, it costs money. Now, I have no investment or say in this matter, and feel that the xpoff guys could have gone about it better, but something definitely needs to change. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current owner of TI can't even pay the upkeep fees.

There is a lot to be said for moving everything to a new domain that can actually be utilized to fund the community, but ethically, Myrm should keep ownership.
 
To me, the main issue is that this domain can no longer generate ad revenue. Instead of creating money that can be put toward the twink cup or even site upkeep, it costs money. Now, I have no investment or say in this matter, and feel that the xpoff guys could have gone about it better, but something definitely needs to change. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current owner of TI can't even pay the upkeep fees.

There is a lot to be said for moving everything to a new domain that can actually be utilized to fund the community, but ethically, Myrm should keep ownership.
Myrm has been offered to ownership of new site and slowly earn all the money back with adsense or a charity donation but so far has just given it the finger thus far
 
Myrm has been offered to ownership of new site and slowly earn all the money back with adsense or a charity donation but so far has just given it the finger thus far
He's angry, and that makes sense. I wouldn't want to tuck my tail either. My guess is that the situation will stay ugly until some private dialogue can be agreed to and a compromise worked out. I do believe that Conq and them have the best interests of the community at heart, just like Myrm does, so there should be an agreeable way to proceed.
 
I can't speak much on behalf on the current issues and I'm not terribly interested in trying to process these he said she said Mocha Length Posts to the fullest of their ability. I skimmed them and grasped what I could for them in a quick read because I just don't care to look too far into them. With that being said, inc Mocha Length Post... because well... I'm Mocha and it's what I do.


I'll provide my experiences and you can disregard them, or take the essence of them and apply it to this situation if you'd like. I don't care. No I'm not looking to get involved despite my name being brought up in both statements from both parties. I have nothing against anyone except Kancer because he's not straight (I'm only joking, I don't even hate Kancer and that says something. Now that I think of it, I really hate one particular EU swine for being a complete maniac and falsifying Skype call screenshots while not having the mental capacity of debating without calling someone a faggot)


All jokes aside, here's my experience with Myrm as admin:
I had left for a tour that started during the spring and finished at the end of the summer. When I left, Shane was admin and I had not received a single complaint of over moderation for the past 8 months or so. The site was in particularly good shape in my opinion despite the DDOssing bs. Anyways, I returned to a new admin and after a few weeks I noticed how the CoC was being disregarded completely. The 20-29 section was nothing but calling everyone cunts and pussies and faggots and saying how they should alt + f4 real life and it was only getting worse. I made multiple staff chat threads and sent multiple @Myrm messages asking what the move from here is. I made between 5-10 attempts to get an answer as to the direction of moderation with 0 response. Some staff members replied saying they've noticed how poorly things have gotten and how they'd like to get the site back on track. Being the most senior staff member, I took up responsibility and posted a warning in staff chat saying that I was going to revert to the old school way of enforcing the CoC as it's written TEMPORARILY and if anyone disagrees, to let me know and I will not go any further. I sent a final PM to Myrm and received no response. I wrote another post saying I'm just going to go for it for a short time until the malicious forum talk was down significantly.



I gave out an infraction for someone telling another twink to slit their wrists, and then I believe one other infraction to James for calling someone a cunt or something like that (which he and I came to an agreement on) and for the first time since my return to the site, I logged on and received contact from Myrm! Except... this was the message :

"I really appreciate what you've done for the site and community and I have immense respect for you as a person, but I think we have some different views on the direction of the site and the methods that need to be used to accomplish certain goals. I respect your opinion so I hope we can still maintain an open dialogue. I'll ask that you be kept in the staff Skype group, and I'll be open to hearing any issues or suggestions you have. I don't want you to feel like I'm trying to scapegoat you or throw you to the wolves, but I think this is necessary for the future of the site."

This after my nearing dozens of attempts to contact him about how to proceed, and receiving no response. Triggered AF. I also thought this was interesting how he'd like me to remain in the staff Skype call... except I was never even made aware that there was a staff Skype group call.... nor was I invited to one...


Fast forward, I wake up a few months later to a PM from a friend saying "heads up Myrm is trying to ban you" and I laughed saying something along the lines of "lol I don't think so, probably a joke... last I knew we were on fine terms despite the lack of communication resulting in me being demoted and that whole mess..." then I get another PM with the copied text from his Ghost Bustas Cover Letter Application that Myrm had submitted and I didn't really believe it. Then one of you slimy bastards pasted a link to a google archive in the shout box (thanks for that, I wanted to see it for myself you little devil <3)




This experience alone backs a LOT of what I'm seeing from the XPHasselHoff website. In my own personal experiences, I have seen enough for me to say that I don't feel as though Myrm alone has what is necessary to keep this site running from a technical standpoint alone. I have nothing against Myrm, I'm not rooting for this site to fail and another to succeed. However, I know the insane amount of work that goes on behind the scenes to keep a site running, and I'm confident that Myrm doesn't have the resources to perform such a feat. Should he acquire them, great! But currently, I feel as though this site had come to a halting screech around August after my wispy ghosty spirit had been exercised from the staff.


Say what you will about Shane, but the site was rotting with an expiring license and it was not going to be renewed when Shane came across it in 2010. He is a business man and saw opportunity, but if it weren't for him, TI would have ceased to exist completely AND THIS WAS BACK IN 2010. At least he had the technical ability to provide maintenance to the site. He was very hands off and appointed other staff members for more hands on / theory crafting of the site / community which I believe was the right move as he wasn't particularly involved with twinking nor the community. Without the technical abilities and resources to keep this site running, it stops fucking running. You can have the BEST intentions but if you have not the resources to keep the site running, that doesn't get you anywhere.


Upon purchasing the site, Myrm should have taken extra caution in learning everything he'd need to know to operate the site. If you're going to make a huge investment, at least know what the hell you're getting yourself into and if you don't, ask for help. Mutiny only gets you so far if no one knows how to operate the sails of the ship. Don't gamble with what you can't afford to lose, especially if you know nothing about the damn game. (Unless you're Casino who is addicted to gambling and gambles houses on the daily for the lulz)


It appears as though xpoff has at least the minimal ability required to create and operate a site. They have a large staff whom appear to be in good community and they appear to have good vision for the site. For all I know, they may just permaban me over there simply for my name (hell that may happen here too) and I'm still supporting the concept of having a passionate staff who's in good contact with each other to help this community grow and flourish regardless of who it is. I don't care what domain name, what logo it is, nor if my thousands of posts are completely deleted or not. I don't care to retain the thousands of likes I've acquired in the countless days of post creation time I've spent on this site because frankly, the distant past holds very little relevance in today. Nobody is going to go reread threads from 5 years ago except Barb when he's necroing shit like a damn freak without the leash.


I personally believe that Myrm should agree to the terms on xpoff and accept the leadership role he wanted to have, while setting a crew to uphold the technical abilities required that he should have had sorted out upon taking over responsibility of admin on a site with 26,000 accounts. The burden here is on Myrm to cut his losses and step up to the plate and to retain a bit of peace for the sake of the community. If I were admin and I knew I weren't qualified to run the site, I would be straight up and pass my hat to someone more qualified because it's the right thing to do for the betterment of the community and site.


XPjackmeOff will probably outshine TI if I were to speculate. F2P may always use this... But... I'm one of the few who was around to see pwndepot fall to twinkinfo after this site was created. Why would an entire community move websites to join 20-50 people that are using a new site? Well when we made TI, the entire community that was 10 times as large as this one moved to TI because one admin was passionate enough about twinking and was taking it upon himself to get ptr links, write blog posts, make twink movies and the new site (TI) was something absolutely incredible. If you take WoWhead with their daily posts, guides, ptr information, videos, contests etc THAT'S what we had for specifically twinks alone. It was absolutely incredible. This new site may not be able to rival what this site USED to be, but in retrospect, this house of trash talking forums with 0 actual content has been on the decline since Drayner left the site. It has sustained and slowed the dying process here and there, but what TI needed was an admin who would take it upon himself to create and fuel the inspiration for more content and advancement as a community. The staff at XPsuckmeOff no doubt have the passion and the ability to maintain CONTENT on the new website... something this site has been deprived of since Drayner left.


Regardless, this could not have come at a worse time. Being between expansions and with us not even being certain to our existence after the launch of Legion, the community didn't need this to happen right now. This could have been a private matter and could have been done 100% away from the public eye and resolved in private... If Myrm weren't completely unreachable.


Just my opinion. Pretty valid points if I do say so myself.
 
I can't speak much on behalf on the current issues and I'm not terribly interested in trying to process these he said she said Mocha Length Posts to the fullest of their ability. I skimmed them and grasped what I could for them in a quick read because I just don't care to look too far into them. With that being said, inc Mocha Length Post... because well... I'm Mocha and it's what I do.


I'll provide my experiences and you can disregard them, or take the essence of them and apply it to this situation if you'd like. I don't care. No I'm not looking to get involved despite my name being brought up in both statements from both parties. I have nothing against anyone except Kancer because he's not straight (I'm only joking, I don't even hate Kancer and that says something. Now that I think of it, I really hate one particular EU swine for being a complete maniac and falsifying Skype call screenshots while not having the mental capacity of debating without calling someone a faggot)


All jokes aside, here's my experience with Myrm as admin:
I had left for a tour that started during the spring and finished at the end of the summer. When I left, Shane was admin and I had not received a single complaint of over moderation for the past 8 months or so. The site was in particularly good shape in my opinion despite the DDOssing bs. Anyways, I returned to a new admin and after a few weeks I noticed how the CoC was being disregarded completely. The 20-29 section was nothing but calling everyone cunts and pussies and faggots and saying how they should alt + f4 real life and it was only getting worse. I made multiple staff chat threads and sent multiple @Myrm messages asking what the move from here is. I made between 5-10 attempts to get an answer as to the direction of moderation with 0 response. Some staff members replied saying they've noticed how poorly things have gotten and how they'd like to get the site back on track. Being the most senior staff member, I took up responsibility and posted a warning in staff chat saying that I was going to revert to the old school way of enforcing the CoC as it's written TEMPORARILY and if anyone disagrees, to let me know and I will not go any further. I sent a final PM to Myrm and received no response. I wrote another post saying I'm just going to go for it for a short time until the malicious forum talk was down significantly.



I gave out an infraction for someone telling another twink to slit their wrists, and then I believe one other infraction to James for calling someone a cunt or something like that (which he and I came to an agreement on) and for the first time since my return to the site, I logged on and received contact from Myrm! Except... this was the message :

"I really appreciate what you've done for the site and community and I have immense respect for you as a person, but I think we have some different views on the direction of the site and the methods that need to be used to accomplish certain goals. I respect your opinion so I hope we can still maintain an open dialogue. I'll ask that you be kept in the staff Skype group, and I'll be open to hearing any issues or suggestions you have. I don't want you to feel like I'm trying to scapegoat you or throw you to the wolves, but I think this is necessary for the future of the site."

This after my nearing dozens of attempts to contact him about how to proceed, and receiving no response. Triggered AF. I also thought this was interesting how he'd like me to remain in the staff Skype call... except I was never even made aware that there was a staff Skype group call.... nor was I invited to one...


Fast forward, I wake up a few months later to a PM from a friend saying "heads up Myrm is trying to ban you" and I laughed saying something along the lines of "lol I don't think so, probably a joke... last I knew we were on fine terms despite the lack of communication resulting in me being demoted and that whole mess..." then I get another PM with the copied text from his Ghost Bustas Cover Letter Application that Myrm had submitted and I didn't really believe it. Then one of you slimy bastards pasted a link to a google archive in the shout box (thanks for that, I wanted to see it for myself you little devil <3)




This experience alone backs a LOT of what I'm seeing from the XPHasselHoff website. In my own personal experiences, I have seen enough for me to say that I don't feel as though Myrm alone has what is necessary to keep this site running from a technical standpoint alone. I have nothing against Myrm, I'm not rooting for this site to fail and another to succeed. However, I know the insane amount of work that goes on behind the scenes to keep a site running, and I'm confident that Myrm doesn't have the resources to perform such a feat. Should he acquire them, great! But currently, I feel as though this site had come to a halting screech around August after my wispy ghosty spirit had been exercised from the staff.


Say what you will about Shane, but the site was rotting with an expiring license and it was not going to be renewed when Shane came across it in 2010. He is a business man and saw opportunity, but if it weren't for him, TI would have ceased to exist completely AND THIS WAS BACK IN 2010. At least he had the technical ability to provide maintenance to the site. He was very hands off and appointed other staff members for more hands on / theory crafting of the site / community which I believe was the right move as he wasn't particularly involved with twinking nor the community. Without the technical abilities and resources to keep this site running, it stops fucking running. You can have the BEST intentions but if you have not the resources to keep the site running, that doesn't get you anywhere.


Upon purchasing the site, Myrm should have taken extra caution in learning everything he'd need to know to operate the site. If you're going to make a huge investment, at least know what the hell you're getting yourself into and if you don't, ask for help. Mutiny only gets you so far if no one knows how to operate the sails of the ship. Don't gamble with what you can't afford to lose, especially if you know nothing about the damn game. (Unless you're Casino who is addicted to gambling and gambles houses on the daily for the lulz)


It appears as though xpoff has at least the minimal ability required to create and operate a site. They have a large staff whom appear to be in good community and they appear to have good vision for the site. For all I know, they may just permaban me over there simply for my name (hell that may happen here too) and I'm still supporting the concept of having a passionate staff who's in good contact with each other to help this community grow and flourish regardless of who it is. I don't care what domain name, what logo it is, nor if my thousands of posts are completely deleted or not. I don't care to retain the thousands of likes I've acquired in the countless days of post creation time I've spent on this site because frankly, the distant past holds very little relevance in today. Nobody is going to go reread threads from 5 years ago except Barb when he's necroing shit like a damn freak without the leash.


I personally believe that Myrm should agree to the terms on xpoff and accept the leadership role he wanted to have, while setting a crew to uphold the technical abilities required that he should have had sorted out upon taking over responsibility of admin on a site with 26,000 accounts. The burden here is on Myrm to cut his losses and step up to the plate and to retain a bit of peace for the sake of the community. If I were admin and I knew I weren't qualified to run the site, I would be straight up and pass my hat to someone more qualified because it's the right thing to do for the betterment of the community and site.


XPjackmeOff will probably outshine TI if I were to speculate. F2P may always use this... But... I'm one of the few who was around to see pwndepot fall to twinkinfo after this site was created. Why would an entire community move websites to join 20-50 people that are using a new site? Well when we made TI, the entire community that was 10 times as large as this one moved to TI because one admin was passionate enough about twinking and was taking it upon himself to get ptr links, write blog posts, make twink movies and the new site (TI) was something absolutely incredible. If you take WoWhead with their daily posts, guides, ptr information, videos, contests etc THAT'S what we had for specifically twinks alone. It was absolutely incredible. This new site may not be able to rival what this site USED to be, but in retrospect, this house of trash talking forums with 0 actual content has been on the decline since Drayner left the site. It has sustained and slowed the dying process here and there, but what TI needed was an admin who would take it upon himself to create and fuel the inspiration for more content and advancement as a community. The staff at XPsuckmeOff no doubt have the passion and the ability to maintain CONTENT on the new website... something this site has been deprived of since Drayner left.


Regardless, this could not have come at a worse time. Being between expansions and with us not even being certain to our existence after the launch of Legion, the community didn't need this to happen right now. This could have been a private matter and could have been done 100% away from the public eye and resolved in private... If Myrm weren't completely unreachable.


Just my opinion. Pretty valid points if I do say so myself.
Lol hey buddy <3 I can't believe you would say that about me I would never say such an absurd thing. Lol
 
The word "twink" has already been corrupted even in-game.
Not to be taken until recent events, since the word twink has caught on, endgame just tell you to level up and get skilled.
Also the term has a .... "different" ... definition outside the WoW community.

I like the XPOff name... and to be honest, it will be pretty easy to catch on in the WoW society.
"XPOff" It's just self explanatory; Your EXP is OFF
Also the term most likely has been used before, I might just start using it
Endgame : Holy shit nice statistics, how did you get them on such toon
Me : Oh, I'm XP Off lol
^ something like that probably happened before this
So props for such a simple yet already known term to name a site



My opinion on this issue here and what I gathered is :
I like the XPOff site.... BUT it would be a HUGE dick move to actually switch traffic to that site...
The fact still stands that Myrm did pay a lot of his money for this Twinkinfo site...
... It's just my moral view... if he payed a lot... he deserves to keep a good site

The only 2 solutions here are (just my opinion)
These 2 sides work off their issues and just help up-bring the Twinkinfo site
OR
XPOff invests as much currency as Myrm did into their site... that would full-fill my moral point of view

just my gay opinion on the matter
completely feel neutral on this... but at the same time I don't give a shit, I rarely play
I just want to see a good community
I agree with most of this, but not about the part where the investment is a factor in deciding who should run a website. Myrm invested a big chunk of money, it was his personal decision. He has later shown that he is not suited to run this by himself, which is what he wants to. The XPoff team doesn't need to invest 10k to be the prefered website. Imo the website that serves the community the best should be the prefered website, not "the most expensive one".
10,000$ for this site? damn, a lot more than I expected...

reality is, ultimately, the guy with the $ is the guy who says what the rules are, until someone richer buys it
We as users have the power, if you switch to another website, it will get no traffic, and no revenues = it will die. Although TI will probs die even with traffic, cause it can't get AdSense because of the word "twink".
petty website issues are the least of your worries if you want twinking to go anywhere
You should read Conq's post on XPoff.com explaining their goals and intentions with the website. With AdSense and a good team, they intent on using the revenues for torunament prize pools, and just the website to tie together the community, with a list of online streams, media archive and calender. And getting a sponsorship could take twinking to so far unseen heights.
To me, the main issue is that this domain can no longer generate ad revenue. Instead of creating money that can be put toward the twink cup or even site upkeep, it costs money. Now, I have no investment or say in this matter, and feel that the xpoff guys could have gone about it better, but something definitely needs to change. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current owner of TI can't even pay the upkeep fees.

There is a lot to be said for moving everything to a new domain that can actually be utilized to fund the community, but ethically, Myrm should keep ownership.
I agree. But in my opinion the XPoff.com team made their intentions clear, and explained it neatly. Myrm then went along and made this thread, where a lot of people quickly jumped on his bandwagon because they didn't understand the situation completely.
 
I say off with conqs head, he used you for his own gain. Granted I am not a fan of the new change but I will for sure not be supporting conq and his band of butt pirates. Do what you gotta do myrm but id deff re-evaluate who you have as moderators and make sure that this doesn't happen again.
 
You should read Conq's post on XPoff.com explaining their goals and intentions with the website. With AdSense and a good team, they intent on using the revenues for torunament prize pools, and just the website to tie together the community, with a list of online streams, media archive and calender. And getting a sponsorship could take twinking to so far unseen heights.

19s is still a super niche part of a dying game with a meta decided by the backwash of end game patches

basically how 19s see lvl 10s is how everyone else sees 19s, i doubt it will ever become more than a novelty but w/e good luck
 
We must abandon the word twink. We need the site to generate income for various reasons. Maybe then we will be acknowledged by Blizzard... that should be the goal. Getting acceptance by them and bending over backwards until that goal is achieved! Everything else is a mundane detail o_O

The Sith deal in absolutes... a few of you are following suit :rolleyes:
 
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I say off with conqs head, he used you for his own gain. Granted I am not a fan of the new change but I will for sure not be supporting conq and his band of butt pirates. Do what you gotta do myrm but id deff re-evaluate who you have as moderators and make sure that this doesn't happen again.
Please, don't be so narrow-minded. Conq is not doing this to gain anything, he is not tryin to hijack TI, and he is not trying to make profit from this. He, along with the team of XPoff.com is trying to help the community, trying to make a change, that wont happen with Myrm infront.
19s is still a super niche part of a dying game with a meta decided by the backwash of end game patches

basically how 19s see lvl 10s is how everyone else sees 19s, i doubt it will ever become more than a novelty but w/e good luck
Thank you.
 
The people running xpoff.com don't give a crap about any other bracket, like rusks said in the shoutbox the other day, its all about 19s and every other bracket is a cesspool. So people like me that play other brackets aren't really inclined to support people like that.
 
The people running xpoff.com don't give a crap about any other bracket, like rusks said in the shoutbox the other day, its all about 19s and every other bracket is a cesspool. So people like me that play other brackets aren't really inclined to support people like that.

Hey friend. First of all what you are saying is wrong, secondly tell me in what way TI cared for other brackets asides from offering forum sections which xpoff also does?
 
The people running xpoff.com don't give a crap about any other bracket, like rusks said in the shoutbox the other day, its all about 19s and every other bracket is a cesspool. So people like me that play other brackets aren't really inclined to support people like that.
its up to 29s to support themselves and their causes man, you cant get mad that 19s are doing things for 19s when 29s could do the exact same if they chose to.

also the cesspool comment is my own opinion and has nothing to do with anyone else but me
 
gj dividing this joke of a bracket into 2 thats what i call a nail in the coffin gj conq

the truth is as zejh said this game is dying and especially twinking
 
We must abandon the word twink. We need the site to generate income for various reasons. Maybe then we will be acknowledged by Blizzard... that should be the goal. Getting acceptance by them and bending over backwards until that goal is achieved! Everything else is a mundane detail o_O

The Sith deal in absolutes... a few of you are following suit :rolleyes:
Why abandon when we could merge? Let's all be gay AND twink in wow. Double whammy.
 

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