Sorry

Things have been getting out of control lately and the site is in a fairly desperate place. Mocha has been a bit of a lightning rod and it seemed like a significant portion of the community wanted him banned. I didn't think it would be right to ban him considering the type of behavior that's been allowed from others, but I also think people have legitimate grievances against him. Some people were suggesting that since I'm trying to give the community more control over how the site is run I should hold a vote on whether he should be banned, others were offering to pay to have him banned.

All of the issues became linked to me and it seemed there was a logical solution that could solve many of the current problems with the site. I admit I lost my head a little bit and I apologize. I won't ban anyone for money, but there needs to be some sort of reconciliation between some people on the site, especially Mocha and Agonist.

I would like the OP, but I'm capped for the day. Sorry :/


Anyways, can I make a logical suggestion? Well, logical to me. If there is a true need for infractions/bans with this drama in the 19's section, could both sides of the issue be punished equally(

Myrm. I think this "significant portion" of the community you are referring to are the small percentage of users who are mostly active on rebellious threads. The actual majority of the community disassociates itself with threads such as those, giving it the illusion that everyone is backing the OP.

I'm glad you posted what you did, to a certain degree. Something that bold got a lot of people who normally disassociate themselves to speak their mind. We finally saw, for a short period of time, how the actual majority feels on the manner.

Mocha, regardless of his past doings, has been demoted, and is no longer an issue.

How about something between complete banishment and this

Good on you for admitting fault. Takes a lot of something to do that, something that a lot of people who dwell here lack.

What's are some of the specific reasons for the witch hunt that seems to be taking place against Mocha lately? Admittedly I don't get too much involved in forum drama these days, but it seems people are just expressing a certain vagueness about him "ruining the site". I'm just curious what he's done so bad to warrant even the consideration of a ban from the website.

I'd like to think the guys who constantly post half naked pictures of themselves and argue about lifting and striations, those who are notorious for being incessantly toxic, and those responsible for constant sociopathic trolling and ddos issues of the past would be more prime candidates for banning than Mocha.

Like.

Apnea said:

Good on you for admitting fault. Takes a lot of something to do that, something that a lot of people who dwell here lack.

What's are some of the specific reasons for the witch hunt that seems to be taking place against Mocha?.

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Exactly this. He refuses to admit his fault. You just gave myrm a lot of credit for what mocha himself need to do.

I hate Mocha as much as the next twink, but what you did was the equivalent of standing on the sidelines of the mob rule, and offering to sell them their pitchforks.

I'm fine with open discussion, and things taken a lot less seriously on a niche website, but I also have a problem with the amount of spam & shitposting that gets largely ignored by moderators, even when it's obvious trolling that's not even slightly interesting or funny anymore.

Also: Remake the Indiegogo thread if you're struggling to keep the site open, and us fellow twinks will open our wallets to help you.

all it takes is an apology honestly. but mocha is too focused on deflecting blame to shane, the coc that he wrote, and anyone but himself.

I like that you admit your wrong, but you did nothing but fan the flames. I believe damage was done no matter what you say now. Mocha will always be a lightning rod, he was loved or hated by people, which is both good and bad. But Watch this thread turn right back into a witch hunt.

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Exactly this. He refuses to admit his fault. You just gave myrm a lot of credit for what mocha himself need to do.

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you'll never gain the support of someone who has no clue why they should hate mocha. just answer his question for the kind, curious readers

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Also: Remake the Indiegogo thread if you're struggling to keep the site open, and us fellow twinks will open our wallets to help you.

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I second this. This was all you had to do in the first place. If the site transition is difficult for you to complete on rations, many of us are fine with helping out. No need for any extra taboo reasoning

Oi chicken if money is the issue keeping the site running, you should of listened to my idea in changing the donation choices. You'd get heaps higher donations

First off, Mocha was originally a mod for shane twice. He was stripped of his powers, i may have the dates on this a bit mixed up, but here is a screen shot showing Shanes opinion on Mocha at one point (ignore the part circling the WT bit).



Mocha lost his moderator privileges temporarily. The community was at joy.

Awhile later, a lot of drama was ensuing, shane disliked how people in the 19 section were acting, primarily tough love( Arkant Stubs) and Yowza and a few others. Shane KNEW that Mocha was INCREDIBLY HATED by these members of the community, for his previous tyrants as a mod (which you can see didn't end well for him).

However, shane hated and disliked the people posting/making these threads in the 19 section even more than he hated mocha, even though most of these posts were just competitive banter and NOT that toxic. So Shane reinstated Mocha as a mod basically out of spite and because he knew the people involving themselves in the drama would be outraged and basically just gave him free reign. Mocha banned/infracted/deleted and removed any post of people he did not like, it was NEVER about the CoC. It was about shutting up the competitive 19 scene and nothing more. Mocha wrote the CoC that allowed him to basically use his power any way he saw fit. Mocha completely went along with it and went straight back to his old ways of abusing his power as a mod.

He instigated and antagonized a lot of people, similar to the way @allybeboa does today. Except if you replied to anything showing the slightest amount of contempt to him, you would receive an infraction. People were banned/ received infractions for having signature to large for christ sakes.

It got worse and worse, the 19 section of twink info actually died, warsong gulch died, the competitive scene to the bracket died for a very long time. It stunted the growth and really really hurt 19s.

That is my particular take on it, I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut during those days so i missed the ban wave, but plenty of other INTELLIGENT and reasonable players have expressed there feelings and thoughts about what happened back then, if you go back and read the threads you can see there side of it to.

Jesus Christ these victim mentalities crying over stuff that was done years ago and should have no signifigance to anyone anymore. The site makes you accept certain policy when you join it. You knew the rules you agreed on - to have the consequences you are aware of. Take responsibility in your part of the incident stop being fucking victims that cry about how life shits on you, how everything is going wrong for you and how someone else should be blamed. I don't comment on the validity of US member bans but all the toxic piece of shit EU community members that have been banned(myself included) have been valid regardless of what Mocha's stance was on it

Also i would gladly make an attack thread at Agonist( if my pc wasn't broken) just to get this average mind and a mundane personality off of this site regardless of it leading to getting banned myself.
Like Jesus Christ you are a grown ass man, stop having a victim identity and take it like a man and take responsibility for your actions/mannerism/part in it. You definitely deserve a ban. 1 right does not make up for 10 wrongs. (your contribution ratio versus your negative impact)

All the victim mentalities that keep crying about the old CoC, getting banned, Mocha and can't get over it maybe this site isn't for you(read above statement on site making you accept the rules and policy etc before you are allowed to join)

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Jesus Christ these victim mentalities crying over stuff that was done years ago and should have no signifigance to anyone anymore. The site makes you accept certain policy when you join it. You knew the rules you agreed on - to have the consequences you are aware of. Take responsibility in your part of the incident stop being fucking victims that cry about how life shits on you, how everything is going wrong for you and how someone else should be blamed. I don't comment on the validity of US member bans but all the toxic piece of shit EU community members that have been banned(myself included) have been valid regardless of what Mocha's stance was on it

Also i would gladly make an attack thread at Agonist( if my pc wasn't broken) just to get this average mind and a mundane personality off of this site regardless of it leading to getting banned myself.
Like Jesus Christ you are a grown ass man, stop having a victim identity and take it like a man and take responsibility for your actions/mannerism/part in it. You definitely deserve a ban. 1 right does not make up for 10 wrongs. (your contribution ratio versus your negative impact)

All the victim mentalities that keep crying about the old CoC, getting banned, Mocha and can't get over it maybe this site isn't for you(read above statement on site making you accept the rules and policy etc before you are allowed to join)

P.s. Not fixing stylistic or grammar mistakes

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He wrote the CoC, and its power has always been under the moderators discretion, he was excessive in his ways. People aren't asking for anything but for him to accept some responsibility for what he did and just come clean about it.

First off, Mocha was originally a mod for shane twice. He was stripped of his powers, i may have the dates on this a bit mixed up, but here is a screen shot showing Shanes opinion on Mocha at one point

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Why did you circle the WT part? I get that you're a retard, but you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Mocha joined when I, and a lot of other 19s, had quit WoW entirely. He was present when the guild was a couple months away from being doneso, and was never an OG member, but a temporary FC for the new team that was being made.

I don't know a single person from the original WT guild that has told me they care/like Mocha, including Pizza.

Anyway, going to re-post what Dorygon had posted in another thread before it got locked, and which I feel highlights what kind of ego/powertripping creep Mocha was back then for all those who missed it:

Dear Dorigon,You have received an infraction at TwinkInfo.com Forums | World of Warcraft WoW Twinks.Reason: Breach of Code of Conduct-------Posting Prohibited Material:Any discussion of actions taken upon an account by the Twink Info Staff or any discussion of anything against the Twink Info Staff or the rules given by Activision Blizzard will be removed with or without reason and will result in a ban at a minimum. Severity of this offense will result in a permanent ban.This thread is also helping a player circumvent their ban by giving them the ability to share their voice on our forums.We have given you the world's longest leash with you earning 4 pages of infractions and warnings for various reasons. I personally have yet to see you make a single constructive post on these forums. I know you make a game out of how much you can troll and insult our staff without being banned.After you having spoken with Broken a few days ago and him telling you that you are now on a very short leash, I hope you amused yourself for the several hours that you thought you would once again, troll under the radar.As I've said over 100 times: You're allowed to have whichever opinion you are entitled to. You aren't however, allowed to post about it on our forums. This is not the first time that I've had to talk to you about doing such. These are private forums and we don't want that type of trash all through our forums. It's also a clear CoC violation.You have 17 infractions and / or warnings not counting this one. You are also a vet on this site and should know how things work around here by now.At this time I'll be inviting you to no longer use TI as an avenue by which you tease others, troll, and disrupt our forums.Take Care,Mocha

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It's funny how he now claims he did no harm - guy wanted to silence anyone who criticized him & banish them from their own homeland.

[MENTION=9224]Kancer[/MENTION] the screenshot is old and i didnt have one that didnt have those two bits circle no jab at WT

Myrm, sorry I forced you into a shitty situation. Like i've said before, everyone owes you for taking over this site. Without your twink cup idea this bracket would have died 2 years ago. You have sparked a fuse for the competitive scene. I did get a bit carried away, but I don't like people who spit down on others and then laugh about it. I will ignore Mocha. He is a coward and isn't worth my time. I still don't believe he should be on this site, but hey, that's your decision. You are the man Myrm, make sure you know that .

Thanks for your clarification [MENTION=1651]Saxxon[/MENTION]

That said, the whole "fresh start" rule had already taken effect. While many people who have re-crossed that line have not been banned, Mocha is currently no harm. It is best to ignore him if you feel infuriated about his presence, as he will not object to you until you object to him. And if he does, it is only words he can use.