Rogue Gearing Debate

Ok so, a lot of rogues I talk to tend to run the Brutal set for the +30 energy and I personally think that there is better gear out there. I did a decent bit of research before coming to this conclusion. This being said I would like to state my case. The Brutal gear offers 6 sockets (3 chest, 2 shoulder and 2 head, with 1 being a meta) this amounts to 70 (or 81) agi depending on your meta. In my current gear I have 12, also the brutal set provides 188 agi vs my 254, which is a pretty significant attack power boost. Brutal giving you a max of 269 vs my current 375. That being said the slayer 4 piece gives 6% increased hemo and backstab damage. Currently my backstab offers 403% weapon damage + 1.1k vs ambush which is 575+ 2k and double the energy, so I can get 2 backstabs in at 806% + 2.2k. Also opening with prep + SND before garrote -> cheap -> backstabs -> kidney lets me do a massive burst and still have energy. This is just food for thought, im curious to see why people think the +30 energy is better. Normally my openers don't leave me energy starved and I can kill most priests before or right after a kidney if I wait out bubble via sap or they are dispelled. Oh, Also the non Brutal gear gives you more Stam.

Okay so you necroed about 50 pointless threads to post this wall of text.

Brutal is best if you know how to play with subterfuge. If you don't, whatever, go for your max ap set.

When things proc in this gear AP jumps up to 3783, unbuffed, giving a really nasty top end. Also currently to make this set BiS with this style I would replace my chest for the carnal harness and swap out the shoulders for slayers, maximizing agi, doing that would bump me up another 30 or so.

I do play sub.

Also, no, I did it to post about RBGs, however I really don't think the brutal set is more viable. Perhaps i've just ran into shitty rogues in 2s, however if the game draws out most of them seem to lack damage and end up dying because they don't energy pool, so they use their 130 energy to spam hemo. With rupture, SnD, and the 6% damage increase if you energy pool and then burst hard its a lot of incoming. Anyway, the question I was asking is "why" do people thing brutal is better. Most rogues I talk to say it opens up more in the opener.

Ok, so I would say about 99% of the time I kill in the opener, I get 6.2-8k back stabs. I never said that the brutal set wasn't worth using im just curious why people prefer the other set. I've played with both in the past and had much better results with the current gearset. That being said the past 3 days I did 2s I went 14-1, 10-2, and 3-0 mostly fighting other rogue / priest teams.

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i honestly dont like subterfuge but thats my prefference so this thread acutally might help me

Jicz

If thats the case i'll start arguing 24/7

because holy shit, thats awesome

Yeah subterfuge is the best talent choice of the 3 to take imo, it allows you to get a good opener off.

Anyway, I didn't mean to make a heated debate, I think both sets are quite viable however games seemed more difficult even with the appropriate opener in brutal gear, loses happen very infrequently now so I just wanted to hear peoples opinions on the matter.

@op full PvE gear, don't bother with PvP

coolbank said:

i honestly dont like subterfuge but thats my prefference so this thread acutally might help me

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Subterfuge is a free shadowdance

opening with prep..?

4/5 brut garrote>backstab spam>kidney>backstab spam > win aka skill much

Excpl said:

opening with prep..?

4/5 brut garrote>backstab spam>kidney>backstab spam > win aka skill much

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don't listen to this, just get a much pve gear as you can then proceed to tear someone a new arsehole.

yeah but.... that same opener is better with PvE gear because of the Ap bonus and the 6% + to backstab damage from the slayer 4 piece... If you play right and get an SnD off you can get the same quality of opener with more burst and not be energy starved.

Meh, I feel that using the PVE gear set would be better for specs like combat and assas (since your almost relying on killing them within a few seconds). As sub its just personal preference on pve / pvp gear, pve would be for extreme openers where your going all out and trying to get an instant kill (in arena that would be for 2x dps) and pvp gear would be more for a dps/healer combo where you know you cant kill in opener so you need to put out consistent dmg and stay alive ^_^

I personally preffer to run with 4/5 Brutal and 4/8 Slayer replacing legs from brutal, for the extra energy and the 6% damage. this set has payed of pretty well

Autolight said:

Meh, I feel that using the PVE gear set would be better for specs like combat and assas (since your almost relying on killing them within a few seconds). As sub its just personal preference on pve / pvp gear, pve would be for extreme openers where your going all out and trying to get an instant kill (in arena that would be for 2x dps) and pvp gear would be more for a dps/healer combo where you know you cant kill in opener so you need to put out consistent dmg and stay alive ^_^

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PvP 4/5 kills in opener
Pve gear-> more sustained dmg

i would say brutal 4 set all day...

I dunno... I kill in openers all the time and with a priest / other class in arenas they help with the opener so I would rather have better sustained anyway. I run rogue / disc in 2s and with a good opener / mind bender right out of stealth its pretty much gg, that and i've gotten over 10k backstabs on unbubbled cloth.